Pentagon

During the Vietnam War, I was brought TDI, temporary duty to the Pentagon because

and out of the front entry of the Pentagon.

We don't start wars in the Pentagon.

They said, got tamers all over the front of the Pentagon.

You have, I mean, just look at the Pentagon papers and you look at how cynical the discussions

around the Vietnam War were at the highest levels in the Pentagon and Oval Office.

So, Ross, the major question, do you think the Pentagon confirming its investigating the allegations of Jake Barber is a major step forward here?

It's an incremental step forward. I think it's important because we do know that the new director of Arrow, the Pentagon's UAP investigation office,

So, to get this confirmation now from the Pentagon that they are now indeed investigating is positive.

The Pentagon dictates what he's allowed to reveal and what he's allowed to say publicly.

And there isn't a very proud history, I'm afraid, of the Pentagon wanting to be very forthcoming about what we do believe is a covert UAP retrieval and reverse engineering program.

So, really, I think a lot depends on the degree of transparency and openness that's permitted by the Pentagon, and a lot of that hangs on the new administration.

It's very interesting. I know you say there is very clear intent from senior echelons within the Pentagon leadership to continue to suppress this story. Tell me more about that.

What's interesting though is that the Pentagon recently came back with an answer to the White House on the drone incursions that you and I have spent a lot of time talking about.

But whether the Pentagon wants to admit that or not, there is a certain inevitability because Jake Barber and his team at Skywatcher are now trying to replicate what they did on the range privately with the backing of private equity.

you know, the Pentagon and the defense budget.

I have shown you a little bit about this guy, including like the work he did at the Pentagon

Remember guys when he left service witness Ed served on the Pentagon for Air Force RDT

How did he, a friend of his that he had been on the board of the Pentagon think tank,

under a contract with the Pentagon.

I said, yeah, but you're here key in the military and the Pentagon.

his counterintelligence operation at the Pentagon.

He had baseline clearance across 18 of them in a top secret Pentagon office.

and I'm a private civilian and those people going with credentials from the Pentagon, right?

it was 3.4 million from the Pentagon and, uh, and then he, so he is now, uh, contracting with

Now as journalists that's not something that you you don't show that card you don't show that hand um you do right before you know you give a heads up to the Pentagon you let them know if you've obtained something it was just it felt sinister and it felt orchestrated.

And so I put that writing to some guys in the Pentagon and 2013.

Oh. I always hear these generals in a Pentagon. They think it's demonic. They don't ever want to tell it, right?