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So what happened there?
the Intelligence Community.
And that's very relevant.
You got people like people, don't like him, that kind of thing.
You can't get that out of them.
That's been their job protective programs.
We call it the program, the legacy program.
And I've, and they're seductive.
They're shiny.
That was a, that was a psyop.
They're trying to pretend that that existed in the capacity they say.
They should hire you because let me just tell you, most people don't read his book and take from that what he means.
We're so close.
Did you find it frustrating when he was on your podcast and you asked him about him stepping inside of a UFO and he said yes, but then he also was like very clear that he couldn't say much more than what he had said in the book.
Like, why could he get that cleared?
So you can submit it and say, it's, this is fact.
And he did the fact way, right?
I got some guesses, you know, maybe there are UFOs and they're not from here, whatever that means.
I mean, why would you build a Ferrari not to go fast?
You could see I'm frustrated.
Now that's some like stone age thinking when we're in the Jetsons, you know, that we're
past that now.
I find it hilarious that that is what's making, you know, the Citadel scientific gatekeepers
like Neil deGrasse Tyson take it seriously is the fact that it gets a stamp of approval
If we want inner peace, we have to fight for inner peace counterintuitive, but it's true.
I talked to some high school teachers and I talked to some professors at major universities
all in one weekend, right?
They were all there at the McMinimins UFO Fest, which is the finest thing in the world.
You got to come to me next time.
You get a golf cart and a six pack of beer.
It sounds epic.
And I was put in jail one morning and that's a true fact.
What?
It's hilarious.
So what you can do is you can show other people your curiosity.
If you have a class, none of us have the answers.
You got a class?
Teach it.
What do you know?
How do we separate critical thinking?
The average singular person with nothing, they're five followers on Twitter.
And they're like, what do I do?
There's a woman that came up to me.
She's a little bit older.
I'm like, oh, don't worry if you have five followers, say what you're thinking and tag
every representative that is fighting for this.
Tag the Department of War.
Tag at energy.
That's the Department of Energy.
Tag them.
And here's why I know that's what you should do.
I like you.
I think like everybody who gets interested in something other than themselves, you know,
I don't know what station, you know.
more and like, just dropped it.
Like it's hot, but I never forgot that moment.
I was sure I was just going to do the martial athletics thing my whole life.
I didn't think I was smart enough to do other things.
And Irestor is kicking off their summer savings with some very big discounts.
me understand your psychology and where you're coming from, what you're motivated by.
And I think UFO space, now, you know, I didn't need that from the movie because we've gotten
The dude has had so many life experiences people don't know.
Won a bunch of flight records as well.
He takes the 35 millimeter film thing out of the camera, hides it under his ashtray,
He goes, no, it's not my camera.
We're taking the film.
He was running for Senator or state Senator at the time or something.
I'm not even a filmmaker.
Never made a film.
people know because it's just not out there.
He was some sort of MK ultra, like he had bullshit.
Yeah.
as a journalist.
When someone says to you, um, this is my, this is for you to know, not to say.
you know the horror of losing people to the ether.
That's why today's episode is brought to you by Quo, spelled Q-U-O.
I'm like, I a hundred percent at this point think he was there and I a hundred percent
think S4 exists.
Are you allowed to say that?
Yeah.
It was on, it was on our episode.
And we, I said, Bob, just get on the phone with Joe, dude.
He's a good dude.
Dude, just get on the phone.
That was something that if I had a nickel for every time someone described the seemingly intelligent
Well, even if you can't retrofit it onto some, but that's what it's, it sounds like.
Well, it does.
Can I try to get Dylan to confirm that?
And he goes, essentially as a lawyer, right?
So I'm a journalist.
So I listened and I am testifying to you, believe me, or the author of a bearded tattoo journalist, a great mentor.
Yeah, bro.
Well, cause my mind, when you said pyramid, I started tripping out because I'm thinking about
What I'm trying to say is there are certain different types of hardware that I understand
to be held in different places.
Uh, what, what happened was.
I look up what brine shrimp is.
It's sea monkeys.
Cause he's, you know, he's like this Mr. Rogers character of science.
But I'm obsessed with using you of shrimp brine.
Yeah.
It gets better.
I'm super obsessed with getting the right date.
So you can look up the video yourself.
That's how you know the date.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, so maybe it was a little later.
I used to get kicked in the head for a living.
I literally, when it comes to dates, I have to keep all in a phone and I use photos.
So if you guys look up silver surfers, probably one of the first videos on my YouTube is probably
there.
Um, what happens is he goes on the news.
I get pissed off cause I didn't know about news.
What are you doing?
Right?
So I call the news station.
I said, wait a second.
I didn't superimpose anything and they just dismissed me.
Right.
And I'm like the fuck, but they did this like story about it.
So I went to deep dive investigation on my UFO sighting.
I mean, I went into like forums and like Facebook and like, what was it?
It was called like, you know, all this stuff, um, my space.
And I found all these people that had also filmed.
I got six angles of this shit.
Right.
So I went like crazy, bro.
I tell you later about online who is there, but figured it out.
looked real, like it had mass, but it was a hologram or something.
I want that the world should have that.
So what?
It's very simple.
Is that in your job description?
Project blue box, dude.
Of course.
Yeah.
You know, the things that George and I can't say, you know, um, look, man, there is a,
He's on the inside of what he needed to know.
Like how Bob was on power and propulsion, you know, with project Galileo.
That's apparently what General Neil McCaslin told Tom DeLonge.
It's in Secret.
That's interesting.
That's what they're telling me.
Yeah.
So basically, this guy, McCaslin, one of many that Tom was talking to, obviously, WikiLeaks,
They've been watching for what seems like the beginning of recorded human history.
Whoever they are.
And so maybe it's because we're in a nuclear multipolar world, but like the, the, the nuclear
thing had been happening since the 50s, 60s, 70s, the tampering with the nukes and stuff.
So I'm not a legal scholar.
But that makes me, that makes me wonder about.
So that's, what's funny is, um, yes and no, like there's other really good articles and
writers and there's like great valid stories.
So what, what my point is, what are they, what are they doing by shaping the narrative
that's already emerging?
But I think that applies to this, you know, 2026 or seven or 35.
No one knows only God knows, or only some omniscient force knows.
Or it's just complete and utter bullshit.
But I'd be wrong.
Do you think.
Um, Matthew Sullivan was one of the 40 people that, you know, that, that number's loose.
witnesses that I want to testify to you.
A lot.
That's crazy that maybe he was taken out.
I don't know, bro.
Dylan Borland wouldn't even know what the fuck they're talking about or how to,
I tried.
I tried.
Thank you.
He was doing some like audit or something.
How did he run into all of this UFO related info?
Sees immaculate constellation.
everything documented for self-protection also.
Cause he's like, you know, why did, why did I get exposed to that?
He made some mistake or, um, we won't get into all of that, but some people are not worthy of your trust
at all journalists. Don't try to pay people ever. Jesse.
Interesting.
That's not a journalist.
There was something, bro.
Let's not get into it. Right.
You said you don't want to.
Okay.
So that's not, we can, if you want, but dude, let's talk about things that excited.
Okay.
One day people will understand.
Yeah.
One day people will understand what makes me angry.
I didn't know anything about.
I know you didn't.
Possible pain.
That's why you, no, no.
We're not saying specifics yet.
Don't make it.
No, I know.
You might've just made an assumption.
Well, I think I made a correct assumption, but we can just move on.
So this is going to be so awkward for your audience, but Jesse and I, we, we made one
agreement going on is that there's, you know, we're, we're just going to talk freely and that
we're going to enjoy ourselves and talk about what makes us happy and inspires us and, and
sparks our curiosity.
It's basically what we said last night.
Right?
Yeah, exactly.
So I want to, I want to do that.
So we signed out none of these NDA shit.
We don't got to do fuck, fuck all when it comes to UAP stuff.
I actually tell people like a young kid called me from a base and you know, blah, blah, blah.
And I go, stop.
photos and that sort of thing.
saw the same stuff and more than he did, they don't have the same worldview.
Interesting.
And like, and you mentioned stuff around, um, you know, your, your personal life being encroached on.
I've had similar things that freak me out.
Don't think about those attacks.
Don't let them in.