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I don't think I'm going to say all of it because there's some stuff that is really crazy.
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If you and I were starting to go do talks and we start talking about Jesus and aliens in the same talk,
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we're going to go from here to here real fast.
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You know, tying this back to Bob Lazar, there's also a Jesus connection there.
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It's crazy. Exactly.
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Which is wild. The blue documents, he read that Jesus was some type of hybrid.
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And there was a file in there this thick on religion.
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But the way it was written, because he remembered how Bob said that it was written,
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it says, the Christian God as you know him doesn't exist.
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The police officer was there telling me that I had to go meet with a woman
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because there's a little girl there that's her daughter that is not from here.
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She gets in the car and she says to me, I was taken up in a ship one time
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and they introduced me to a little girl.
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She said, tonight at 1111, a craft will fly over this house.
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It appeared out of nowhere and flew right over the house.
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I had tears in my eyes and just looks at me super calm and says,
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I am likely to be the reincarnation of the daughter of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
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I had an experience when I was a kid back in June 22, 1980.
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And I remember the day because it was right after the release of the Empire Strikes Back.
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And the kids and I were all, we were young kids standing in Anchorage, Alaska,
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up near Elmendorf Air Force Base.
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And all of a sudden a large floating object came floating in over the downtown Anchorage area.
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Everybody in the city could definitely see it.
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And the weird thing about it is when it came in, all of the wires were on the fencing and the telephone poles and stuff started vibrating.
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And we all turned and looked at it.
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And it was just sitting over the city and it was the size of a, like a super dome.
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And it had multiple lights in the middle, like two, two, two domes, one on top split in half and one on the bottom glowing orange.
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And then colored lights in the middle.
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And then two jets took off from Elmendorf Air Force Base and it shot out over Cook Inlet and vanished instantly.
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And then, you know, the next day one of the kids couldn't talk to us because his dad was Air Force Security.
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And he said that we made him see that.
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And then the parents and him moved.
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But it made the news that night.
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And I remember because it was a weatherman who moved to Portland.
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And he definitely was on the news and they were making fun of him on the news that night because he had seen it also.
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And there was hundreds of phone calls and complaining about it.
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As for the Bob Lazar story, full circle moment here.
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You were one of our first guests.
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Not, not here, but here.
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Just in the other set.
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One of our first guests in the podcast ever.
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We did the whole deep dive.
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As you were making as for the Bob Lazar story.
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And, you know, that's where we got to sort of hang out.
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I got to see your spot and all this stuff.
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It's been widely well received.
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I mean, you were on Rogan crushing it.
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Everything about this movie is amazing.
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And then you go on Rotten Tomatoes and you've got like the highest rating I've ever seen on Rotten Tomatoes by audience.
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It, it feels surreal.
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That's the only way I could, I could say it just feels surreal.
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It feels great to be here with you, by the way, because for me, it's like, for me, it's been a journey.
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It's a life journey for me.
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And so when I, when I was coming here today, I was like, I got to say something to Chris, because if I have to pull, if I have to look back at this in my life in memory one day and be like, oh, I did that.
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You know, I have to also appreciate there was a lot of ups and downs, but you were part of that up in the process.
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You got into, you came into, uh, our project in 2023.
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I got to meet you in 2023.
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You reached out on Instagram and I got to meet you and you came to the office at the first time.
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And we were showing you some of the VR stuff.
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And I remember that.
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And I was going through a really rough time at that time.
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So I remember that very, very like specifically.
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And I looked back at those videos and I'm like, wow, it, it, it's so much stuff happened.
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So much stuff happened.
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And I got to say, your friendship is possibly up there with like, so when I say, what's the ups out of all this journey?
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Well, you're right up there as a friend.
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And I have to say that.
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If there's, if there's one thing that I have to say and my whole team says, and my mom says is thank you, Chris Ramsey.
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And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Um, I appreciate you and your team and your mother, Franca, if you're listening.
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She makes the best pastries I've ever had.
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Um, well, I gotta say, I gotta say second best cause my mom makes pastries and if she's listening to this, she'd be really angry at that.
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You're going to get in trouble.
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Um, they should share recipes though.
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I'd love to see them baking together.
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My, my, my German mother, your Italian mother.
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I mean, you don't get better pastries in the world.
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I, I would think like some Swiss chocolate tier.
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Would be up there with them.
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Um, but yeah, it's, it's been an amazing journey.
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Uh, I've, you know, we spoke every day.
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In the last like two, three years.
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We, we've been speaking daily.
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Um, I'm aware of a lot of the things that went on behind the scenes and the delays of this movie.
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Uh, the, just all sorts of interference, we'll call it.
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You know, it's such a massive task to undertake, not only making a documentary, but the hoops and things you have to go through.
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It can really wear you down.
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Even outside of the UFO space.
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I mean, just making a film and having it go through these separate corporate entities, these, you know, you have to file things, you have to submit things.
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And that time, guess what?
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You're paying people.
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How much are you in?
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Do you think like conservatively in this project out of your own pocket?
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So $2 million out of your own pocket.
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Cause you had a, you have a business.
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Um, where you, you know, did a whole bunch of stuff before this that had nothing to do with.
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Nothing to do with this for a long time.
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And I mean, it's been like, uh, uh, for me, it's been an incredible return to school.
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Like I went back to school.
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It, it, it's like, I'm 51.
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I just turned 51 three days ago.
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Um, I started this in 2021 and did not know what I was going to get myself into.
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I thought I was just going to make a model where I know what I'm doing.
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I would be able to make a model with my eyes closed and my hands tied behind my back and
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I'd still make a great model.
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But I didn't know what the hell I was doing in 3d and graphics and VFX and film and interviews
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and camera equipment and audio.
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And I watch you put this together and I'm going like, I still have a lot to learn.
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And, and people are saying, I'm a filmmaker.
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I am an embryonic film making.
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I'm in the embryonic stage of filmmaking learning.
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So I'm still learning.
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I'm still very, very grounded.
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Uh, I know how to make, I, if I had to do it again, I would probably be able to shave
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So if I had to do that again, I could, I could certainly accelerate it.
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Um, but I would have to have the technology that we have now to make two years happen.
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Cause now with everything that's out there, I mean, this movies like these are going to
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be easier and easier to make.
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But one thing that you can't recreate, you know, is the time spent with Bob.
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I mean, that's priceless.
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You know, that's, um, and Bob was here, you know, and he talked a little bit about his,
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you know, one of the reasons that he wanted to do this was the fear that he has a real
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fear of not remembering this stuff.
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It's, it's an insecurity he has.
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Um, and rightfully so, because, you know, it's one of the reasons why he is reluctant
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to talk about it because he knows that if he trips up anywhere on the story, uh, that
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people will just focus there.
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I, I think that fear comes from not because he can't remember.
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I think he, I don't even call it fear.
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It's if he doesn't remember something, he knows it's going to be a wave of attacks.
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That is just, you know, just because he didn't remember something.
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And so I think it's PTSD.
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So he worries, you know, he's like, wait, what are we talking about today?
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You know, today we're talking about the craft.
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You know, like things like that.
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But if I said, uh, how far do you think the doors were from the hill by the Papoose mountain
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He's like, okay, hold on.
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Uh, cause he, he has to remember that, you know, if he wants to make that accurate.
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So he was, there was times where he was extremely comfortable and there was times where he was
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extremely uncomfortable because like, I don't know if I remember that.
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And then I started testing myself when it came to that.
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Cause you know, you, you eventually start everybody at everybody.
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If, if, if there's anything that people do when they attack the Bob Lazar story is he
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He didn't say it like this and whatever.
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And I started pretending that I was Bob Lazar and people would start asking me questions
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about my high school.
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And so, you know, it's like, what was the color of your locker?
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People are, are, are rightfully skeptical.
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Um, but you also have to, with the same stroke, be a little bit forgiving for, you know, uh,
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I want to wrap up on Bob here for a second.
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If you haven't watched us for the Bob Lazar story, you're living under a rock.
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Go watch it on Amazon or go to, we are not alone.com.
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This is, uh, Luigi's brand new platform.
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We'll hope he'll be bringing not only behind the scenes, completely unedited interviews
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and so many more things around the documentary that just came out, but also, uh, new stories
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or old stories that you haven't seen before.
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Uh, movies from different production companies, different directors.
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It's a brand new venture.
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I think it's so great because it's, it's kind of like the Netflix of like UFO stuff.
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Is what you're trying to create.
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I love the, we are not alone.com.
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I think it's a Juana.
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It's a great, you know, brand.
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Uh, I think it's really great.
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And, you know, in this day and age, it's, it's getting harder and harder to sift through
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all of the archival stuff.
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I know there's a guy online, Eyes on Cinema.
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He does a really great job of just uploading everything and everything he finds.
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And you find him, he's got a whole bunch of stuff.
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Uh, but for all the stuff that you can't find now, you're going to find a lot of that
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So definitely want to check it out.
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Um, but I want to get past all that right now because I want to talk about something
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that the audience might not be clued in on.
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And the fact that you, sir, were, um, an investigator for MUFON.
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For a very long time.
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You were the youngest.
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And we've mentioned this on the podcast, you know, that probably got a lot less views
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back in the day when we were starting this channel out.
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But you were like the youngest MUFON member.
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Talk to me about it.
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That was back in 19.
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I, I, I still struggle to know if it was 1987 or 88.
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I do think it was 87 because I remember Gulf Breeze was 87.
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So I remember it specifically because of that, because it was an active case when I became
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Uh, at the time I made an, I went to, I went to Plattsburgh, New York with my mom, my grandmother,
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We used to go there from Montreal to go shopping.
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And it was the first time I found anything about, uh, like flying saucers, like any, uh,
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printed material on UFOs.
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I didn't find anything in Montreal.
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So I, I, I freaked out.
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I was like, oh my God, there's UFO stuff.
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And it was a, you know, become a member application.
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Of course it was, you have to manually fill it out, put a stamp, send it out.
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And it was in Texas.
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And then I remember receiving in the, in the mail, I was looking out for it all the time.
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Every time the mail came home, I was like, do I have any mail?
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My mom's like, what the hell are you doing?
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What could you possibly be expecting in the mail?
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How old were you again?
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Uh, 12 or 13, something like that.
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And I was, I remember the letter.
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I, I still have it somewhere.
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And it had a letter with the card.
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It's like a little card that, and, uh, at the time I didn't know it says, what's your
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specialty in my application?
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The only thing I could think of that was, that would be pertinent to that was I knew
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a lot about astronomy.
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Although I was, I was a kid, I was reading a lot about astronomy.
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So I wrote astronomy on the application.
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So the card comes in and it's my name and it says specialty astronomy.
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And then, you know, I'm a member and it was signed by Walt Andres and they had a letter.
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And then the letter was, Walt Andres was the director says, you are officially the youngest
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member of MUFON in the world.
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And I was like, it, it, it intimidated me because I was like, oh no, what, what did
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Like, what do I have to do now?
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Cause then I'm like, do I really know enough about astronomy?
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You know what I mean?
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So I was like, what am I gonna do?
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So it made me hurry up and read more.
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The, the MUFON journals and the, the, they, they would send out stuff in the mail.
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I, I still have all those.
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The symposium stuff.
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The symposium stuff.
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And I, I still have all that stuff.
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And I was reading, I was, and then in those magazines or in those printed materials, you
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would find ways to go get other printed materials, like other companies or other material magazines.
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So then I started buying that stuff and whatever money I had, I spent on that stuff when I was
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So my mom would always come in my room in summer.
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I was always reading about astronomy because I thought it was gonna help and UFOs.
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And she thought like, just go outside and play, you know, like, and I was like, I, I did, I still
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got to learn this cuz I was summer.
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I didn't have homework so I could just spend all my time on that.
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And I was a complete geek.
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So that was my life.
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And eventually got to a point where I became very familiar with a lot of cases.
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I bought a lot of books.
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In fact, you have a lot of books here that I remember reading that I can't find anymore.
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I must've lost them throughout the years, but the Aztec, uh, book, the Socorro stuff, the
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Billy, my Billy Myers stuff.
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Actually, I only read.
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I read recently, but the Billy Myers stuff I had heard of through Jacques Vallée.
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I remember cuz he was the debunking it.
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So I remember reading about Billy Meyer through Jacques Vallée because I had some Jacques Vallée
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And they were just, there was no pictures in these books, man.
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It was a lot of text and the Gulf breeze case.
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And so I was reading a lot.
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I was really trying to read as much as I could because I thought one day they're gonna
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call me and my head is one day they're gonna call me and they'll lead me and I need to.
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They're gonna call upon my services as the astronomer.
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Because I was completely oblivious to the fact that all I am is a member.
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But I made it into like, I have a responsibility.
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You know what I mean?
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And then eventually, uh, I mean, years went by and I went from love.
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I, I, I've always loved the topic, but I started hating the topic.
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Not because of it, but because of the way people were treating me because of it.
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So you have to remember this is late eighties, early nineties and UFOs were super, not cool.
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Especially if you looked into crashes, uh, UFOs were like, you have to also consider a lot of
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people would say, yeah, I saw something in the sky.
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It's different than if you say, yeah, the government has a crashed craft and they have
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alien bodies and they're even today, even today.
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So, you know, that was insane to a lot of people.
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And so I started realizing I'm not getting popular because of this.
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There's a lot of people not wanting to hang out with me because I, I, or peep.
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I remember a couple of friends of mine who did become friends of mine, but they, you know,
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when you would bring you new friends in your room, you know what I mean?
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And you want to show your friends like, oh, check out, I got this baseball, you know, whatever.
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It was more like guys coming into my room going like, dude, what's with all the UFO books,
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And like I had, I would go into magazines, cut out like a close encounter movie pictures,
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put them on the wall.
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And it's all alien stuff.
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Mine was like, Jennifer loves you.
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Mine was like a lot of UFO shit.
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Just like Stanton Friedman.
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I was like completely into that.
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So they thought, what, what the fuck are you doing?
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And, and so for me, and then I had a telescope.
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So I tried to make the telescope cool.
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It'd be like, I'll show you guys what this does at night.
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You know, I would show them Jupiter or something and they were like, oh yeah, okay.
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Even astronomy or space or the, you know, was not cool.
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So I had to kind of choose who to say this to.
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And it became more and more of a social problem.
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And I eventually had to start hiding.
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I was like a closet UFO lover.
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Because I was like, I couldn't tell people because it was always causing me problems.
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So I decided, and I tell you this all the time.
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I'm like, it's so surreal that I live in a world now where we become friends because of
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the topic and we're not hated or not judged.
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Well, we are still judged, but from different people or different reasons, but it's accepted.
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There's a whole pocket of people that are incredibly accepting of this stuff.
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And the people that aren't are so busy doing other things now.
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That they don't waste time being like, that stuff ain't real.
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They're just kind of like, well, I like this.
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I don't have a long, you know, analyzing me if I'm normal look from people anymore.
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Which is a big deal.
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Like when was your head injury?
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Well, most people would always, especially, you know, obviously if I talk about family,
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friends or people that were closer, they would always worry, you know, like, oh, they would be
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like, so how are you?
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You know, how's everything?
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You're still looking into that stuff.
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So it was never like, oh, it's interesting.
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It's more like, are you out of it?
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So I remember when I started, it's hilarious.
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Cause I remember when I started stepping away publicly from it.
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And I say that because again, I'm going to go back real fast.
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When I first started with MUFON, there was a MUFON Quebec group here.
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It was a MUFON group in Montreal and I would go to it and I would, you know, want to find
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out what people are talking about.
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99% of the people that were there were all white haired people.
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There was very few young people involved.
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I mean, there's a, yeah, it's, it's still, I don't think it's gotten any younger, but it's
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definitely seems that way.
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It's like older crowd.
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If you listen to videos and watch, you know, but it's still majorly an, you know, old white
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It really, it really was and still is.
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And so I remember that one of the first things I've ever did that was like an, I call it
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my investigation because I was proud at that time is I wrote a letter to Ed Walters, the
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guy who took pictures at, of Gulf Breeze.
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The guy who had all those experiences in Gulf Breeze, Florida.
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And I never thought that he was going to write me back, but I thought, let me try.
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And I had read his book and I had read all the information in the MUFON journal, all that.
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And he wrote me back and he sent me a videotape of him talking to me, a video of the actual
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And I got all excited because I'm like, oh my God, again, excited and intimidated.
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Cause I'm like, what if I have to present something now?
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I always thought that this was going to be like, am I ready for this type of thing?
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So I ended up going to this MUFON organ thing one night.
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If I, if I remember it in, in Montreal and, uh, for anybody who knows Verdun is like still
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It's like in the middle of nowhere.
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And I went out there, my dad drove me there.
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He walks in because he's not like, what, what are you doing?
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Like I had all this, I had the book, I had all these papers with me and I was presenting.
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You know what I mean?
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So I was super nervous and I'm like, you know, my dad was there just to, for me to
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know that there was somebody there in case I just panicked, I could just go, go away.
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So I presented something on golf breeze and I remember people impressed with the fact
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that I was so young doing that.
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And it, it gave me a boost that, oh, this is, this is like, I'm not being laughed at.
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There I wasn't being laughed at.
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So that was a big deal.
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But as soon as I left that, I was being laughed at in, in every other circle.
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So I decided to kind of step away publicly.
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I always kept very close to the topic.
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I would read about it, but not in front of girls or girlfriends or friends anymore because
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I, I took down all the weird pictures in my room and I started putting up, like I had
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fighter jets and stuff like, make it, it was still related to the military, but it was cool,
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you know, and then from that I started, uh, you know, really diving deeper and didn't get, I wasn't
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investigating anything.
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I was just researching or reading about it, updating myself, had to start it having, you
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know, a normal life and, you know, got into college and got work and all that.
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And, uh, then eventually started wanting to get really back into it.
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Suddenly it just was like, okay, it was still not.
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Cool, but I wanted to get back into it.
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Like when I say get back into it is I'm gonna be talking about this.
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I'm gonna tell people, uh, I can't tonight.
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Cause I have to go to do that or I'm doing this.
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And, and the stigma, everything came back.
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Like everything was just, again, I was like, geez, you know, like it's, it's not evolving.
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There's nothing good happening.
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No drink about this during the nineties too.
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It was anytime you heard of an experience.
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Of an experiencer or a sighting.
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It was widely mocked in streamlined legacy media via talk shows.
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You know, whether it's Oprah or Ricky Lake or Maury Povich or Jenny Jones or, you know, you name it.
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You would always have these stories and it would be considered so fringe and out there, almost like a freak show.
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Is how people were treated.
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And they were also called that, you know, it, it was really, uh, you know, it's like one of these shows where they bring on, you know, the goth children.
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And then the parents who, you know, and like, oh, my daughter's into Satanism and that type of stuff.
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Like that's how it was all treated.
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So, and then in the newspaper wasn't mentioned at all.
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It was only mentioned in the sort of spoofy.
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Uh, news, you know, media tabloid things.
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And let's not forget there were a lot of fake, uh, UFO sightings or fake cases, which added fuel to that fire.
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So it was a lot easier back then.
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I think to muddy the waters.
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And, and the national inquire, which was like the number one, you know, publication that you would see in, in some, in some grocery stores for, had pictures of Hillary Clinton holding an alien baby.
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And that just killed all credibility of anything that had to do with the topic.
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So I was always, uh, like I was always facing that and it became really annoying, but I, I stuck with it regardless.
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And I gl I'm very glad I did regardless of all the, the hate or the, the judgments and all that.
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And, uh, eventually got into the investigative parts of MUFON.
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So talk to me about that.
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How does one become an investigator at that time?
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So what's that like?
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Oh, I didn't see you there.
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You want to know what's insane?
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Buying razor blades.
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You walk into the pharmacy and suddenly you're spending $40 because your razor cartridges are apparently handcrafted by NASA engineers.
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Meanwhile, the blade dulls immediately clogs halfway through your shave and your neck looks like you tried shaving with a cheese grater.
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That's why I switched to Harry's plus.
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First thing I noticed this handle solid metal weighted actually feels good in your hand.
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It's not cheap plastic and the shave is just as smooth.
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The pivot follows your face naturally and the blades are refined and honed at three different angles.
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So you don't get that awful tugging feeling.
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The spacing between helps prevent clogging, which honestly used to drive me insane.
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And now there's aloe and vitamin E in the strip.
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So your skin feels good after, which is important.
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You spend half your life in close ups talking about UFOs.
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I could probably use a shave right about now, honestly.
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And maybe you could too.
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You can get the Harry's plus trial set for just $10 at harrys.com slash area 52.
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You get the razor, a five blade cartridge, shave gel, and a travel cover.
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If you don't love it, Harry's will make it right.
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Again, harrys.com slash area 52 for the $10 trial set.
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Let them know we sent you.
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I highlight this because if you think about, you know, when you hear an investigator, right, you, you assume,
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Oh, if somebody has the title of investigator, that means they have a lot of experience and they, that, that wasn't really the case at the very beginning, or even now when it comes to some of the MUFON investigators, because it's, it's just like a month or two of learning.
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Uh, uh, it's like a, uh, they call it, um, a field guide or something like that.
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So you have to, you have to buy it or you, you would buy it at the time with, with MUFON to read through it, learn.
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It's really interesting information, by the way.
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It teaches you how to not, you know, the misidentifications of Venus or, or, or constellations or stars or the moon and looking at, you know, air aircraft landing lights, the horizon, how to measure height and altitude of things and really interesting stuff.
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And clearly how to go about an investigation.
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If somebody sees something, what not to ask them, how to ask them certain questions to not lead them on, excuse me.
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I did that and I, and I did an exam and you have to have, I, if I remember correctly, you have to have like 80% or more in order for you to pass to become a field investigator.
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So I passed, I, I had done the work and I, a lot of the stuff I had already kind of figured out prior.
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So I became an official field investigator.
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I remember when that happened to me, how I found that to be easy.
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And I remember that kind of bothered me.
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Because I was like, I don't feel like I have invest, I'm not a field invest.
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Like I w I was already a field investigator, but I never investigated anything in the field.
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So I found that to be a little easy.
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Like the bar was too low.
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I, and that kind of threw me off a little bit, but regardless, I, I still did what I had to do.
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So I did start working in some, and, and, you know, when you become a field investigation investigator for MUFON, in my case, MUFON Canada, cause I'm, we're in Canada.
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You're essentially either, uh, gonna be sent cases from the head office where they receive somebody calls in the, there's a case.
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It happens to be in your territory.
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They've already vetted it.
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They send it to you.
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There's a system called CMS in that CMS system.
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There's all the information on that.
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The person who called said, this happened to me.
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You have to do a follow-up.
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You have to call that person and, and do all that.
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And it was, it was organized.
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Uh, and basically started getting my feet wet in investigations.
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And it's, it's well organized yet very, um, lax because it's a lot of, you know,
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lax because everybody does this on their own time.
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Nobody is paid to do this.
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It's all, um, uh, how do you say that?
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Uh, uh, uh, bénévolat.
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How do you say that in, in English?
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It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, um, that word.
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Why are we forgetting this word?
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Why are we forgetting?
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It's a really weird thing.
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It's when you just give your time.
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I'm blanking completely.
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It, it, people do this at the hospital.
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They, they, they, they, everybody's going, that's the word.
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And we're forgetting that word.
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It's like when you're, you're blanking.
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It's like when you, you are a, uh, you're offering your services for free or you're,
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you're volunteering.
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So let's start, let's start that over again.
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So there's nobody getting paid for this, right?
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It's volunteer work.
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So basically as, as, as, as a volunteer, if you're really interested, you put a lot of
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dollars, but there's people that are volunteers that have families or whatever.
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So they're not always on, on time.
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So it's sometimes made it kind of a fragmented process in investigating a case if you're not
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in charge of the investigation.
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So it kind of made me want to make myself more pertinent to the organization.
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And I started becoming a little bit more aware of how it was being managed and how, how
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were being done so that maybe I could contribute a little bit of my experience in life and making
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it better and not just investigating UFOs, but also the, the, the logistical process and
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how we should go about it.
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Now, again, I'm, I'm, I'm speaking on some of my experiences.
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There are hundreds, if not thousands of MUFON organizations across the whole world.
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Now it's become much bigger than it was when I, when I joined and there's, you know, regional
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offices and they have all their investigators and some of them are incredible.
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I mean, some of them doing unbelievable work, but then there's also the new investigators
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Like I was at a certain point and you have to also train them.
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Although they passed, it doesn't mean that they pass the logic test of when there's something
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So a lot of, a lot of MUFON investigations turned out to be very conventional, non extraterrestrial.
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I would say 90% more.
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So there's a lot of that.
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And I get that from just receiving, and I'm sure you do as well.
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Um, you know, videos and photos and cases.
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I get sent things where to like 95 to all the way up to 99%.
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I have an explanation and this isn't me simply, uh, brushing something off.
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I'm not dismissing anything based on just a bias or anything.
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I'm, I'm literally going, oh, that's Starlink.
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Or that seems to be some, you know, this, when did this happen?
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Probably some Chinese lanterns or like, there's all these different, you know, drones now
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are a big problem for this as well as, you know, satellites, uh, reentering of, uh, rockets
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But I think for me, the most difficult part in all of that is breaking that news to people
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because they don't want to hear it.
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And I understand that they don't, because that was a canon event that changed how they
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feel fundamentally about something.
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It might've sparked their interest in UFOs and now they consider themselves to have had an
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And if I go, well, that experience was a reentry of a 2013 rocket from China.
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They go, no, it wasn't.
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Cause that's not real to me, you know?
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And so I would have a hard time with that.
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How did you deal with that?
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That was exactly what I, well, first of all, I was personally trying to avoid that as an
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So first and foremost, there's, there's okay.
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Well, there's two layers to it.
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First is as an investigator, if, if the CMS system is sending me a case, obviously they've
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already vetted part of it.
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I'm reaching out to the, to the witness.
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The witness believes they saw something.
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If 99 or like you say, you're right.
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It's between 95 and 99% of time.
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I could explain it away with something conventional.
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If I do that, I'm kind of like making them feel like they're, they're, they're illegitimate,
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That kind of sucks for them, but it's the reality.
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So I can't not do that.
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That was for a long time.
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What was happening to me where I did, I did, by the way, get cases that were not illegitimate,
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but most of the time they were.
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But what happened after that is I became the national director for investigations of
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So I was, I was running all investigations.
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Now, what that means is I'm not running investigations where I'm dealing with the witnesses.
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I am managing the investigators who are investigating the witnesses and the accounts.
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The investigators sometimes want to have a case.
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So you're not only dealing with having to tell the witness that was just Venus, but now
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you're also dealing with an investigator who just passed the field guide exam and you're
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telling them, no, that was just Venus.
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No, what do you mean?
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You know, they saw something and it's like, no, they didn't.
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And so you're getting into that.
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And that's where I, I thought, wow, we really need a lot more, uh, training.
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And, and keep in mind, it is much better now because information is easier to, to get now.
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And, but I'm, I'm talking a few years back.
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And it's still volunteer work.
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So there's like so much you can ask people to go through.
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So I kinda was the party pooper in a lot of cases where a lot of times I'd be like, no, that's just that.
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Or, or, or let's face it to all the people who've seen a light in the sky and they believe that it was not terrestrial.
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Do you have a picture of it?
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Do you have a video of it?
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But it moved really radically?
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Or they have a video of it and they say it moved really radically right before the video.
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Or right after the video.
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It's not what we're looking at, but what happens with that is if you're hearing about it, you know, like that, like now it's cool.
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But as a, as a director, I was re I was receiving like 30 a day.
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So it gets, gets to a, to a point where you're just like, and, and I have a job by the way, while I'm doing this.
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So it got to a point where it's like, yeah, okay, well, w w what, what can we do with this?
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Just mark it as unknown and, and move on.
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Like what if we, I should maybe go out on the field to do what, what are you going to go do?
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Well, talk to the witness about what, what are you going to go do?
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You're going to go talk to a witness who's going to tell you they saw a light in the sky.
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Well, if you want to do that, you can, but it's, it's not going to make that light in the sky turn into a landing, uh, an object with landing gear.
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It's going to, nothing's going to happen.
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So it gets to a point where it was getting really repetitive for me.
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And I was feeling that my experience and all of it.
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And I, I, I kind of squeezed every ounce of what I wanted out of all this.
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And I knew that I could contribute differently to the field.
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And again, I am not dismissing MUFON.
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I am not dismissing all the field investigators.
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I think they're amazing that they even do this.
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And I'm sure they feel that to a certain extent what you're saying now.
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But that's part of it.
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You know, some, and, and some people can take that.
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And like the redundancy would also kill me.
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I think just, uh, of like, you know, and, and for every thousand cases that they are explainable, there might be a couple that are just mind blowing.
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You do it because of those.
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That's exactly why you do it.
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And I did got, I, sorry, I did get to work on a couple of really amazing cases, which I, to this day, consider to be as valid as any of the biggest cases that we've ever heard of.
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But they're just not popular because.
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I wanna, I wanna get into some of those.
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This is where it gets juicy.
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Oh, there's some juicy ones.
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You know, between our friendship and the discussions we've had, you've shared so many like really interesting cases and stories with me of, you know, personal friends who've become, or people who've become friends over the years.
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Uh, and their encounters are, make for just like the most compelling story.
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Would you, would you wanna talk about some of those?
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I mean, it depends on which ones there's.
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Obviously I've, I've touched.
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Uh, cases where it's only light in the sky.
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A being in my house.
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So it goes really, there's a big.
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Would you, would you be able to talking about like how you met like Sarah?
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And Emily and like all that stuff.
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That, that's crazy stuff.
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So there has to be like a.
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Like a, like a disclaimer.
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While you're editing this.
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It's when Luigi does this.
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You know, there's a big disclaimer.
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This, this sounds schizo.
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And, and that's actually, it's, it's really interesting that we're gonna touch this because
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what got me to take a step away from MUFON.
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Investigations daily UFO investigations was monotony and repetitive stuff that I didn't
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really feel was, uh, I, I, I wasn't contributing.
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Properly to the field, to the field.
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After that, I started working on cases that were worth investigating and cases and people
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that had incredible things happen to them.
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That also started a journey for me that got me to meet a lot of amazing people.
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I got to work closely with some of the best.
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I was, uh, trained by David Jacobs for two years personally on alien abductions and alien
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David Jacobs is considered one of the best.
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Uh, was considered one of the best in the field.
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He's no longer active, but definitely was worked alongside also with Don Donderry for
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a little bit of time.
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I got to meet a lot of great people and I learned a lot throughout the years.
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And I tried to apply my experience, all the years of learning about this, about this,
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this phenomenon, which by the way, the phenomenon has it's multi-layered.
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It's not one thing, you know, it's many different things.
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And that got me to be, uh, curious, not no longer about the nuts and bolts, the light
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in the sky or object I've seen, or whether it's triangular, circular, oblong, tic-tac shape,
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whatever the shapes are, it's an object in the sky.
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I believe they exist.
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I'm not going to use the word believe.
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So there are objects that have been flying in the, in the skies of the earth for many,
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many years, decades, if not centuries, or even millennia, who knows that do not perform
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the same way our conventional aircrafts perform.
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They outmaneuver anything we could possibly do.
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So there's no question there is a nuts and bolts, uh, variable in there.
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I got to a point where I was interested in, okay, there is a nuts and bolts reality here.
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That's, that is the question that you have to ask.
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If you're not going to, you're not just going to go, oh, they're drones.
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Well, yeah, if they're drones, somebody's running the drone.
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It's who's flying them.
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So that got me super curious.
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And again, I guess that's, that's like the secondary rabbit hole.
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There's the first rabbit hole.
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And then there's the secondary rabbit hole is when who's, who's flying them.
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That's like, you know, that slide at an aqua park that you just go super fast and end up, you know, that's how.
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Cause when I was 13, I took my first girlfriend to one of those parks and her top came off.
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And that was a, that was a canon event in my life.
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So I remember those slides very well.
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So you know what I'm talking about?
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It was a big moment for me.
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It was a very bad moment for her.
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So that was the second rabbit hole.
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And that thing was deep and very scary because it, it no longer ha and all this is where I'm
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going to get into it.
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And again, it's like the disclaimer.
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I did not expect these things to happen.
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What I'm going to report, what I'm going to tell you is all I was doing is reporting the facts that I'm
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getting or information that I'm getting.
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How it happened, why it happened.
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So it's, it's, it's one of those things where you just have to look back at this and say, and, and as I was investigating a lot of these really crazy cases, I would consult with David Jacobs, with Don Donderry, both of which would always tell me.
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Put it in a, in a filing drawer, close it.
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Don't overthink it and move on.
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And I'd be like, but hold on.
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It's a, we know do that because if you start overthinking, you're not going to find an answer.
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You're going to go crazy because it's crazy.
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And you also have to think maybe there's something else that you need to know, or we need to know that can make sense of it.
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And it, we haven't figured that out yet.
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So I always stayed very grounded and I was trained by some of the most grounded people in, in, in the field.
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And that was something that I considered to be like the most important, uh, part of my training was always stay grounded.
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Do not jump to conclusions.
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Do not make this, uh, an unknown.
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Do not turn it into an extra terrestrial or interdimensional, uh, investigation.
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Everything could be explained away conventionally.
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So keep that as your primary directive, which is kind of a shitty thing when you're trying to investigate somebody who's expect, who's actually lived something really.
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Out of the ordinary and you're almost forcing conventional explanation because you don't want to fall into that rabbit hole.
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You want to test them.
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You want to also test them.
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And so I would be, uh, I was always the one, I'm always still am, but the one who would be like skeptical, open, but skeptical.
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And I, and I pissed a lot of people off by the way, because a lot of people who had, let's say they're, they're, they're friends with somebody and they're there just to support them would get angry at me for not believing.
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Or, or, or even raising skepticism a little bit.
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Which you had to do.
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Because otherwise everything is, is insane.
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So I, I had an opportunity to, uh, meet with a police officer.
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This is a big story that I hope is going to get covered in great detail.
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Uh, hopefully through you.
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And, uh, I was actually, so here's how this all started.
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I got invited to a, uh, a talk that Don Donderry was doing at Concordia university, uh, sorry, at, uh, McGill university in Montreal.
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And it was about flying saucers.
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And I thought that I want to go see, I want to go see, uh, a, a, a professor of psychology at the university of McGill in Montreal.
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Talk about flying saucers at McGill.
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I want to be there because this is a big deal.
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You're talking to a guy who was getting made fun of if you just said flying saucers, you know?
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So I went and I went with a friend of mine and he, uh, he still is a federal police officer for the RCMP came with me.
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And he was, he was curious as well.
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So we're sitting there and we're watching Don talk.
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And there was a pause in the, in the, in the talk.
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It was really interesting.
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It was a lot of people.
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It was full room, full auditorium and there's a pause.
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And I'm just sitting there.
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And this guy comes up to me and, uh, says, are you Luigi?
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And I was just like, uh, yeah, I, I found it to be so odd cuz never met him.
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I don't know how he knew I was Luigi in this crowd.
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He kind of picked, came right at me.
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And so my friend is like wondering, you know, hell is this all about?
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And he says, uh, somebody with the Montreal police department would like to talk to you.
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That was a weird intro because now my friend who's a cop looks, looking at me going, what did you do?
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And I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
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I said, okay, dude, what are you talking about?
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So he says, I know this is weird.
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Here's my phone number, whatever.
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I want, I want to talk to you.
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So I eventually entertain this.
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Cuz if the, if the police wants to talk to me, I want to know why right away.
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And it was an officer from the SPVM, the Montreal police department who had been the officer on the call for the, um, the, Kevin, Kevin.
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The Kevin dis small sighting in Montreal in 2010, which was by the way, a very big sighting.
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It was sighted by multiple people in the middle of the night.
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And he was the officer that was there.
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So I said, oh, I'm, I'm really interested.
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I'd love to meet him.
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So we arranged to meet at this cafe in front of Concordia University in downtown Montreal.
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He showed up dressed in his uniform.
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I was there, I was there and he has an envelope with him and, and sits down with me.
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He says, I'm, he was very, uh, you know, wanted to make sure I was okay.
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Cuz he's like, first of all, who's this guy, you know?
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And, and he wants to find out if I'm, I'm a legitimate person to talk to.
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So he explains to me, he was the guy.
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And, uh, and then he says, I have something else to share.
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He says, well, we have a witness who, um, has a picture of one of these.
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And I thought, oh, picture of a craft, you know, a picture of something.
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You know, I wasn't, again, I had, I'd seen so many that I, I was like, maybe he's excited about it.
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It's one of those little dots on the, on a black picture.
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So he said, I said, uh, you have a picture of a, of a, of a craft.
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He goes, no, we have a picture of a being.
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And I thought, okay, no, it's coming from a cop.
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It's not coming from anybody.
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So I was like, okay.
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And he said, uh, we have multiple pictures and, uh, we cannot figure out what it is.
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And we've, it's been in the, uh, it's been in the drawer at the police station for three years.
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So basically, all right, I'm interested.
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I I'm w w what's it about?
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He says, I don't have them here.
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Uh, but I can share them with you, but you have to sign something that you're not gonna distribute them.
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These are not, you're not allowed to distribute these.
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And I said, w what does it look like?
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And I'll never forget.
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He goes, it's not a dog.
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You know, cause I mean, he, I don't know how he didn't, I don't think he knew how to express what this thing was.
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He goes, well, it's not a human being, but it's also not a dog.
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And I thought, okay.
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And he goes, a strange way to describe.
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That's the way he presented it.
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So, uh, he finally sends me the inside to sign something.
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Finally sends me the, the pictures.
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And he said, when you receive them, you'll need to call me.
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Cause I'll need to explain them to you.
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So long story short, I got these pictures.
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Some of them show a Doberman King dog in the images.
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That's not the being.
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There is a Doberman dog in the, in the event, but it's a woman in Montreal who, uh, was woken up in the middle of the night at around 1 15, 1 30 AM in an apartment building on the 14th floor.
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And her dog, the Doberman King made a sound.
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There was a, they, the, her door frame to go into the hallway had been broken into a week prior because they had forgotten their keys in the apartment.
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So there was a tiny little gap where you can actually see from the interior of the apartment out in the hallway.
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So she goes out there, the dog is there and it's paralyzed.
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It in her living room or in her hallway.
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And she thought the dog was having a stroke because she, it was completely immobile with its ears up as if it's on alert, but it's, it's like paralyzed.
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So she takes, she snaps pictures of the, of the dog, but the dog is looking at the door.
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So she's thinking maybe there's somebody at outside in the hallway.
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It's an apartment building.
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So she peeks in that little opening and she sees a shadow moving.
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Oh, so she thought, oh shit, there's somebody there.
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And I guess to her, there shouldn't have been.
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So she grabs her cell phone and aligns her camera on the, on the iPhone.
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But it's back in 2010 in January in 2010.
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So iPhones were not that good, by the way.
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So, you know, for everybody who are going to eventually see this, that this is not today's cameras, but you see it clearly anyway.
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She snaps multiple pictures of what she said was a, a creature that was standing.
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That was about three foot tall and very, very skinny with a big head and big black eyes and its arms were positioned like this, like a, like a praying mantis or like a bird, I guess.
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And it freaked her out, obviously.
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So those pictures, when, when I got the explanation from the cop and I'm looking at them and I finally see it, it was the biggest, oh my God, moment that I had ever experienced in all the years that I have ever worked in this.
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I thought, if this is real, holy shit.
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That was a really interesting moment.
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And there's five consecutive images that are really solid.
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And that, that was freaking, that freaked me out.
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So now fast forward a little bit of time.
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I get a call from, uh, did I get a call?
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I'm, I'm MUFON at the time.
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I was actually still at MUFON.
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Now I just remembered.
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I was still at MUFON.
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I get a, it was somebody who had experienced an abduction.
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No, I wasn't at MUFON.
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They called me because I knew about abductions.
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And if somebody had something happened to them in abductions and they reached out to me.
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I get the phone number to call.
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There's a woman who is originally from Great Britain.
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She was living in Quebec.
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And she had been abducted.
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And she was living in Val d'Al, which is about eight hours north of here in the middle of nowhere.
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And I thought, what a weird scenario.
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Woman from Great Britain here in Val d'Al.
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So I, I read the case and I said, let me call.
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I didn't even want to make the call, but let me call.
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And I, and this was right around the same time I had received these pictures.
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She said, she, I call her boyfriend answers the phone.
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I start talking with him and he says, you know, she's very reluctant and talking about it.
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She's scared, whatever.
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And he said on the call, there's one thing though, that she doesn't want to talk about is because apparently one of these beings, the way its arms was positioned, looked like a praying mantis.
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And I remember thinking, oh, that's, that's interesting.
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I just said that in my head.
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I didn't say, oh yeah, that's, you know, I just said, yeah, that's interesting.
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And I said, okay, what else can she say about it?
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She said, well, uh, he said, well, it was very skinny, big head, black eyes, and the arms were like this.
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And he said, let me email you her drawing.
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And so she, he emailed me her drawing while we're on the call and I get the drawing and the drawing was almost the same thing as what I saw in a picture.
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I've seen the drawing and the picture.
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It's a, I mean, it's like, it's a, what the fuck is going on?
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Yeah. You go, oh, okay.
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It's the same thing.
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So at that moment, he said, you're probably not going to believe this.
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She's saying you're not gonna believe.
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And I said, actually, I find this very interesting.
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And I, and I, I, I, I'm interested in more.
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She immediately grabbed the phone and said, who is this man on the phone who believes me?
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She says, I'm, I'm Sarah.
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I'm the one who's, you know, been going through all this stuff.
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And why did you say that?
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I said, well, I said, because I don't think that it's that crazy.
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I said, it's possible.
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Uh, so she, I guess, thought I was worth talking to because I wasn't immediately discrediting.
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The possibility that this is a thing.
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Long story short, I got to meet her.
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Um, I got to meet her about a month later.
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We communicated and I said, look, I'm oftentimes in the Laurentians north of Montreal because I'm investigating another case.
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And she, because she was, uh, in Val d'Or, I was trying to see if we can meet.
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I w I'm not gonna say halfway.
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She had still, they still had a long road, but I wanted to try to get them to come a little less all the way.
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I didn't want them to come all the way to Montreal.
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So she came with her boyfriend.
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It was in September.
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I don't remember exactly the date, but it was at the, I believe it was early September and August.
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I was there with a bunch of friends at that.
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I'm, I'm really abbreviating the story, but at that, on that day, I was with, uh, Benoit Maillard, who was a, uh, a case I was studying.
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I was investigating in Northern Quebec of black triangular crafts.
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He had picked, take a picture and was on the front page of the newspaper.
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He was at his house.
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There was, uh, the cop who, who had introduced me to this, these pictures.
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There was other friends of mine that were there who wanted to kind of expand on these, on this woman who had seen a creature that seemed like what was in that picture.
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The reason why the cop was interested is because I called him to say, there's a woman who's basically claimed, showed me a drawing that matches.
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So he said, oh, I'm just curious to see if this is all hearsay.
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He actually came to, to see if it could just all be debunked really quickly.
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Don, Don Derry also came.
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Now this woman, this is where it gets really crazy.
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This is where the story goes.
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Oh my God, the fuck are you talking about?
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So everybody's got to get ready.
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Disclaimer, disclaimer.
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So she's explaining her story at the table.
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And she says a lot of things.
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I don't think I'm going to say all of it because there's some stuff that is, is really crazy.
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I mean, I'm, I'm open to crazy.
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You did the disclaimer hands.
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The disclaimer is out.
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You gave us the disclaimer, the Luigi disclaimer hands.
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So people, I don't, you know, I'm just relaying.
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Cause this might be this crazy, the crazy details.
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I think are what some people out there will go, whoa.
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And they're going to make connections that we've never made before.
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That's where I think could be.
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So again, the disclaimer's out.
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I'm just relaying information, but it, it gets really serious after a while.
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She's, she shows us all these drawings she's made.
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And she says, I've been abducted since I was a little girl.
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I lived in England all my life.
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She said they would come in my room all the time.
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When I was a little girl, they were tall.
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Uh, she called them tall, white people.
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They were all dressed in white.
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She says they were almost tall to the ceiling of the, of the room.
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And they were human looking, but extremely tall.
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And they were always in the room.
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They were always there when she was a little girl.
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So she, she thought that was normal because that would happen to her all the time.
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She thought everybody has these tall people in their house.
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It's like a normal thing.
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Obviously, if that's all you're seeing, maybe it's normal.
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But at night, she would have these little beings, these guys, like these little grays.
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She drew them that would come and hurt her in her tummy.
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She said to the point where she asked her mother as a little girl, if her mother could sew buttons on the bottom of her shirt and make holes on the top of her pants so that she could button the sweater to her pants so that these beings couldn't access her tummy.
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That's the little girls thinking of how to protect herself from them touching her there.
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And she says they would always hurt my stomach.
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Like I was always getting pain in my tummy, which was the first time I'd ever heard of that, which I found interesting that she, she brought that up like that.
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And she says, my mom did that for me because she felt that made me sleep better because I would fall asleep knowing that I was protected, whatever, which is kind of a normal thing if a kid is scared of something.
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And, but they would always be there.
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And she said they came back many, many times.
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I don't know why there was never an explanation.
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They would just appear in a room.
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She wouldn't remember what was going on, but she would remember being in pain in her stomach.
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And this went on for years.
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Eventually she moved away from Great Britain.
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She had, well, actually she didn't move away.
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She was traveling a lot.
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And she went to Cambodia.
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She went to Germany.
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She went to, uh, she went to Israel.
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Well, she traveled quite a bit.
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And, uh, so again, disclaimer, uh, uh, uh, you should have like an area 52 red light appear on this moment.
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So she went to Israel and walked all the way near the Palestinian border.
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This is going back like 2000 and I don't know, 2010, 2011, you know, and said that, uh, she wanted to cross over into Palestine.
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It was all these soldiers there and all that stuff.
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And she said, there was a man who showed up.
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And this man said to her, she said, he was kind of a, a younger guy who walked up to her.
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It's as if she said, it's as if no one saw him.
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Um, and said to her, her beauty is like a palm tree in the desert on a starry night, something like that.
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But it was like more poetic than that.
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And he finished it, finished it by saying Sarah Tamar daughter of mine.
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And she found that to be very, very bizarre.
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She turned around to see if anybody was watching this and he was gone and found that to be really weird.
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Because Sarah Tamar daughter of mine, she said, he said it like I was his daughter.
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Sarah's no, Tamar is not her name.
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Uh, like Sarah, yes, is her name, but Tamar, she didn't know what the hell that was.
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So I found that to be very interesting because she, she found it to be very interesting.
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So she's explaining all this to us and we're all listening to this story.
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She's explaining that she had been abducted or, or had seen these beings not abducted, but seen these beings all her life.
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And then this happened to her when she was a little older.
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She then proceeds to say to all of us, I will do this.
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I will now start telling you things that will for sure make you think that I am not worthy of your belief or worthy of your trust.
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You will no longer believe me.
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And she said, there is some link to religion and these beings, something to do with Jesus and these beings.
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Clearly I had heard that in the past.
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It wasn't new to me.
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It was very new and a very awkward moment because I could sense the room froze up and it kind of went from interest, interested to give me a fucking break.
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Yeah. Like we understand what type of person you are now.
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Exactly. And I, I understood. I thought I understood where this was headed and I was kind of disappointed myself and I'm being very transparent here.
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As soon as people tell me stuff like that, whether it's possible or not, I tend to not go in that direction because I'm like, it's just, it's, it's too ideological.
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It's dogmatic. I don't want to touch it.
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So she, she had warned us and then said that.
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And I thought, okay.
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And she looked at us and I'll never forget it.
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She said, it's okay.
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I will make you believe it.
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She says, no, you will believe me if I do one thing.
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And we said, okay, what?
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She says tonight at 11, 11, I know this is very, like, it's cheesy to say that for some people.
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It's like, oh my God, 11, 11.
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She said that she said tonight at 11, 11, a craft will fly over this house.
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Now, when she said that, I knew it was over.
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I was like, that's it.
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She's, she's, she's insane.
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You know, everybody's obviously whatever.
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So that kind of changed the whole vibe that day.
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Cause everybody just kind of went like, whatever.
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And, and I'll, I, I'll admit me too.
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I was just like, oof, this is going to be awkward tonight.
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Cause we were, we were approached.
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It was, I think it was like 7 PM when she said it.
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And we were going to up about to all eat.
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I remember Ben was going to make a barbecue and then we were going to just hang out and.
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And you have this elephant in the room.
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And now you have this, yeah.
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You have this moment where it's like, oh God, like, now we have to keep talking.
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Luigi invited us here because he talks over.
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You know, it's like, and now we got this like religious person.
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Like it was getting weird and really weird.
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And I, and I, for anybody listening, believe me, I, I was as weirded out as everybody.
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And I was like, this is not going to go in the right direction.
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And regardless that night we finished eating.
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We're, uh, we're outside it in St.
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It's, it's actually not too far from the, it's in the Laurentians where the mountains are.
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It's beautiful area.
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The sky is beautiful.
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It's clear, starry night.
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And we're all talking.
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And there was this girl, Jenny there.
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Jenny's a friend of ours.
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Uh, Jenny is, is also a dancer for Cirque du Soleil.
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She's an incredible artist.
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And she, she just came along to spend the day.
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And so she was just not a, neither a believer or disbeliever.
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She was just like, I can't wait for 1111.
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So she was the one who was keeping that going.
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Sarah wasn't even paying attention to it.
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Cause I'm like, I gotta, I gotta kind of.
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And my friend, Lisa was there.
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Uh, there's a whole story about Lisa.
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Uh, and, uh, so while we were waiting, it was, it must've been like 10 50 PM, like 10, 10 to 11 in the, at night.
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Sarah says, she looks at Lisa.
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And I know this is going to sound really corny to a lot of people, but this is again, disclaimer.
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This is, I'm just reporting.
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She's looks at Lisa and says, she's O negative blood type.
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And Lisa doesn't speak English.
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So Lisa looks and goes, what does she say?
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I said, you're, you're.
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I didn't, I didn't tell her your own negative.
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I said, do you know what your blood type is?
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And she goes, yeah, I'm O negative.
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And she said it in French.
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And I thought, okay.
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So basically I said, I told Lisa, did you tell her that earlier?
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She's like, no, what a weird question.
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Like she was like, why are you asking me about my blood type?
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So I said to Sarah, I said, yeah, yeah.
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She, she's, uh, she's, she's O negative.
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She goes, I knew that.
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And then she pointed out.
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Who does she point to?
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It was another person that was there.
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And she said, he's O negative as well.
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And that person knew English and said, yeah, I am.
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And it was just like, all right.
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And I said, who else is O negative here?
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And I thought that was weird.
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You gotta admit that.
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That's an interesting parlor trick.
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As a magician, right?
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Like, I'm like, that's not something we were thinking.
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No, yeah, definitely.
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That's a very personal piece of information too.
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And she, you know, it was like two for two.
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And then there's, uh, so then it, it we're, we're outside, we're talking and Jenny screams,
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So obviously, I got a little nervous.
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Cause I'm like, ah, this is gonna be so fucking awkward.
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And she was, Sarah was there.
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Her boyfriend was there.
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She, it was, it was getting cool.
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The air was getting colder.
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So she came close to me and linked my arm and got really close to me.
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And I, it was actually, uh, awkward because her boyfriend is there.
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And I'm, I mean, there's no, why did she just do that?
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But he didn't mind, but I, I, it was just like, not something, not socially normal.
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Cause she came very, like, she was really cuddling with me.
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You don't usually do that.
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So I, I'm, I got her there and I'm looking and Jenny goes, it's 1111.
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So she, she screams cause she was looking at the time.
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So we all look up obviously.
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And, and I'm thinking, wow, not only is this gonna be awkward, but she's next to me and she's being all cuddly.
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So how am I gonna break this to her?
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Be like, ah, ah, you know, like you were wrong.
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And may, may God strike me dead.
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May the aliens strike me dead.
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Where may the universe strike me dead.
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I am telling you the truth here.
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And we were nine people that night.
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We were all looking up and a craft appeared out of nowhere.
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It was a black craft that was like perfectly in our line of sight.
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It came into existence.
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It didn't come from the horizon.
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It appeared out of nowhere and flew right over the house.
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And I remember, I, I mean, I've done this for many years.
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I was completely like no words.
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What kind of craft was this?
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It was, it, some, some of us said look like a triangle.
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I didn't see as a perfect triangle, but it was, it wasn't, it wasn't round.
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It did not have, um, like it, it wasn't, it wasn't, uh, uh, what do you call that?
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Not a, like a long, uh, cylinder.
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Wasn't a cigar shape.
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It wasn't a, a, a disc shape.
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It looked like an, like a, uh, in between a black triangular craft and something that had, I would almost call it like, like, uh, energetic features on its sides.
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So I couldn't tell if it was its body or if it had something on its sides, but it had like a point to it.
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And it just went and it had some orange light on it and it went right over us.
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And I'll never forget.
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Who was all excited, but also in shock went like, oh my God.
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Like she was just like, that just happened.
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The cop who was there literally in French Canadian.
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So for the French people that are listening, went tab back neck, man.
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Like he freaked out.
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He goes, what the fuck was that?
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And Sarah, she's right next to me.
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And just looks at me super calm and says, aren't they funny?
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They got a sense of humor.
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And I, and I, and I, and so now to me is like, am I losing my mind or did this just happen?
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And if this just happened, what is she talking about?
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That they have a sense of humor.
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What the hell is going on?
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So that was a big deal for me because I experienced it.
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Now that we were nine people who experienced it.
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So if it was just me and her, I would have a lot of trouble.
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Cause I would say maybe she drugged me, but we were nine people.
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And to this day, if you rounded up all of us here at the, on the skiff and all of us would tell, they would all tell you the exact same story.
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So we were nine people.
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I mean, we fucking saw it.
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So that was a reality that happened.
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It wasn't something that was told to me.
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It wasn't something that I had to listen to as an investigator or through an investigator.
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She predicted it at the exact moment.
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I mean, that's a, if it was absolute pure luck.
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No, I'm ruling that out right away.
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But I'm saying this because there's going to be some skeptics out there, you know, and I'll say, okay.
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Well, it doesn't explain for it appearing out of nowhere.
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Now that's incredible.
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That's an incredible.
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That's an incredible story.
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But that's only the beginning.
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That was only the beginning.
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This is where it goes from red alert to full on red bombs exploding to alert you.
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So obviously I was like, what the hell is this?
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And she, I'll never forget when we all said bye to each other, she hugged me and she says, you still don't believe me.
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I said, no, I'm not.
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She goes, it's okay.
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And, and, and she was cool with it.
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She was very confident by the way.
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She gets in the car.
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And, and all, all of us kind of talked about it for the few days that followed.
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Be like, what the hell was that?
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Like, I mean, it, it, I, I saw it.
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I saw it with my own eyes.
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There's just no way that was a normal thing.
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I saw something that I cannot explain.
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I investigated UFOs for years.
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I don't know what that was.
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I can't describe it to you.
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I don't know what aircraft that was.
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It was a, a, a, a solid object that flew over us.
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And it did exactly what she said it was going to do at 11, 11.
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Now she calls me, uh, to say that she was moving back to England, that her and her boyfriend
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had not worked out mostly because she had to go back to England and he was not going
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So it wasn't like a bad breakup, but it was kind of like, she's moving back to England.
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And I said, well, Hey, that's a, that's interesting.
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I go, are you going to be flying out from the Montreal airport?
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Cause she has to, it's the only way to go back to England.
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I said, well, why don't you come to my place for a, for a day and I'll show you around Montreal.
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We'll, we'll have a get together with some of the people that you had met.
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She was like, that would be nice.
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So she comes to Montreal and instead of staying one day, she decided to stay two days
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because of the, I remember she took, uh, I believe it was a bus that brought her to Montreal.
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So I, I got her at the Greyhound station and the timing of the bus to the timing of her flight.
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I said, why don't you just come the day before?
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I have a guest room, stay in the guest room, whatever.
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That's what she did.
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The day she arrived, she's in my house.
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And she's a very interesting person.
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She sits there and she's in the kitchen and she she's having tea.
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Cause she's from great Britain.
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I made, I made her tea.
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And she said, there's an energy of a cat in your house.
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And I don't have cats.
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And I said, well, I, I don't know why you say that.
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I never had a cat before.
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I never wanted a cat cause I'm allergic to cats.
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She says, no, there's an energy of a cat in this house.
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And I said, well, I'm sorry, Sarah, but there's, there's no cat.
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She goes, no, no, you're wrong.
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You're really wrong.
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And I said, no, I'm really not wrong.
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It was, by the way, it was October.
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So it, it was like about a month after.
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So she's insisting there's a cat energy in my house.
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And I'm, and I, again, thinking to myself, she's really pushing all my buttons.
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Cause it's like one, she's saying things.
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So it was a struggle between me being completely grounded going, what the fuck is she talking
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And I saw this thing when she said it.
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So it's, it's a struggle that was happening inside of me.
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And I was being very nice to her.
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And I said, all right, whatever.
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And she looked at me, she goes, you still don't believe me.
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She goes, you'll see.
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And she's again, very confident.
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And she says, where did that picture got, get taken?
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You know, the, of the, of the creature.
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And I told her, I said, well, it's this building.
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Can you bring me there?
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She wanted to go there.
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We go to the building.
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Now it's just an apartment building.
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So there's nothing going on.
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There's no like, it's not like there's an alien portal in there.
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It's like, it's just an apartment building.
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There's nothing going on.
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It's you're not going to see anything.
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So we went all the way upstairs.
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We got in, we got to the 14th floor.
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We go to that apartment door and she's just standing there.
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And she's like, yeah, she goes, this is where it happened.
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I said, yeah, and that's it.
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Get back in the car.
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And as we're driving, I go in front of the, uh, St.
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Joseph's oratory in Montreal, which is a gigantic church.
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And it just happened to go there.
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And she looked at it and she goes, oh, that's beautiful.
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I said, and I thought in my head, oh, that's a cool place to show her because we're right
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here just because she's never been in Montreal and it's a beautiful view up there.
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I said, well, actually, you know what?
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Let me show you something.
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Cause you could drive up there and then you get to see the whole city.
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It's a beautiful view.
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So I said, let's go look at the view.
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So I bring her up there and she goes, let's go inside really fast.
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And now anybody who's ever been there, it's a ginormous church.
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The, the, the church is gigantic.
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And as we walked in, she grabbed me again under my arm and there was never any, uh, like,
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oh, she wants to do date me or any, it was never like that.
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She was just like that.
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And she holds on and she looks and she goes, that's how big it is inside the ships.
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That's how big they are.
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And I remember thinking, okay, that's interesting, you know, but I didn't make much of it.
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We get to in front of the altar.
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Now at the altar, there's, there's a, a big cross with Jesus crucified.
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It's made out of wood and there's the Holy Mary, there's Virgin Mary and there's, uh, Mary Magdalene.
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They're both praying, looking up.
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I'm not a practicing Catholic nor am I practicing Christian.
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I just went in there cause it's beautiful building.
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And so this is where area 52 has to put a massive disclaimer.
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This is the biggest disclaimer in the history of disclaimers.
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And she says to me, she goes, I'm gonna tell you now.
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And for sure, you're not gonna wanna talk to me anymore.
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And I thought, okay, what, what, you know, please don't judge people do not judge me this.
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I'm just relaying a story.
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And the reason why I'm saying it because of what's gonna follow.
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And she says, I am likely to be the reincarnation of the daughter of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
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Now, regardless of the fact that I saw craft and regardless of everything, at this point, I did not believe her.
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And I, I have to be honest.
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I have to be honest.
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I didn't believe her.
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In fact, I ultra didn't believe her.
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I really thought that was a coincidence.
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I got scammed into something.
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This person is, is delusional.
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This is what's going on in my, in my mind.
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If I don't say that and got, if I don't say that I'm lying.
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Cause that's exactly what I was thinking.
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And she says, you don't believe me.
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And I said, well, I don't know if I believe you.
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She says, well, I wanna explain something to you, but I'm gonna explain it to you in the car.
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Now that night I was organizing a dinner at my house.
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So I had Don Donderry, his wife that passed away, but she was gonna come as well.
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All the people that were up there with us would visit, seen this and some other friends that were all gonna come for dinner at my house.
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She gets in the car and she says to me, I was taken up in a ship one time and they introduced me to a little girl.
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I was in a room and there was a woman that was, that looked like a human, but not a hundred percent.
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It was a normal human looking woman, but thinning hair.
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Didn't look a hundred percent human who was holding a baby.
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And there was a gray with her.
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And the human hands over the baby.
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This little girl to her is just going like this.
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And Sarah's going, I don't know why you're giving me this baby.
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She says, because this is your baby.
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You have to name her.
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And Sarah says, no, no, this is not my baby.
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I don't wanna name her.
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I don't want anything to do with her.
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She's telling me this.
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And they, they, they, they were forced, they were like insisting.
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So she picks up this little girl and she's holding her and she's got blue eyes, curly hair.
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And they said, you need to name her.
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You need to give her a name.
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So she ends up saying the name.
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She says, I'm gonna call her Lily.
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And gives back the baby.
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So this is in the car.
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And she says to me, I have a little girl.
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That is somewhere up there.
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And I don't know where she is.
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Now, as a person who investigated abductions or encounters before, this is not the first time that I hear that somebody's had a baby, that they've kept the baby.
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This is a very common thing for anybody who is familiar with this.
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That's not that uncommon.
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Although it sounds pretty crazy.
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So I found that interesting.
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But I'm also thinking maybe she knows about that.
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Maybe she's read about that.
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Maybe she's using that as a cover or another story on top of, because she just told me that she's the daughter of Mary Magdalene and Jesus.
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That kind of ruined everything else that she could tell me.
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So we're driving and I remember the time and I, I had to cook dinner.
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So I said, look, when I get home, I'm gonna just ask you, you know, make yourself at home.
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I'll give you a glass of wine if you want.
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But I got to prepare dinner.
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There's a lot of people coming over.
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As I got home, Lisa was there.
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And Lisa is French Canadian.
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She's, she's, there's a video of me with her that came out a long time ago.
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And I, I certainly do believe that Lisa has some type of link to something very strange.
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Her mother just recently passed, by the way.
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I found out that her mom passed away just recently, which was terrible.
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And so she's going through that.
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And, and because her mother had been abducted and all that stuff.
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So Lisa's there, she's at the front door.
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So I was like, oh good.
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But in my head, I'm thinking you can't even hang out with each other.
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Cause she speaks French and she speaks English and neither, you know, they're not gonna be able to communicate well.
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So I'm in the kitchen starting to cook and they're in the living room.
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And I, and I kid you not, I don't know what was going on, but I was preparing food and I could hear Lisa speaking French and Sarah answering in English coherently to what Lisa had said and vice versa, as if they were speaking the same language.
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And I was like, I remember going, what, what is it, what is going on?
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Because I know Lisa doesn't understand English.
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I've tried to speak in English to her.
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So I was like, how, how is that happening?
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So I turned around and I said, are you guys talking to each other?
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And Sarah goes, don't worry about it.
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Don't worry about it.
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Sounds like it was just weird.
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Everybody's gonna think I'm insane, but I'm just relaying what I experienced here.
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Everybody starts showing up.
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We have an amazing night.
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We, and I'll never forget Verna, uh, Don Donderry's wife, who's also gone, she passed away.
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Brought me a big bouquet of lilies.
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So I put these lilies in a, in a, in a bowl, in a, like a flower vase.
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May, the, the police officer was there.
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And he was, he, I forgot to mention that for the, about two weeks prior to him, prior to this evening, between the time we had seen that craft appear and this dinner, he kept calling me, telling me that I absolutely had to go meet with a woman in the South shore of Montreal.
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Because she, there's a little girl there.
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That's her daughter.
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That is not from here.
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And I'm like, I, I didn't have time for it.
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This is exactly what was happening to me.
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I was going through a lot.
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I was doing a lot of things.
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I didn't have time for it.
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And I kept telling him, I know, I know, but I can't, I don't have time.
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And he kept insisting, trust me, you have to meet her.
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So we're all having dinner.
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Everything's beautiful.
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The next day, Sarah's leaving.
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So next morning, I have to drive her to the airport.
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Everybody starts leaving.
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It was like past midnight.
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Everybody's hugging.
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Now it's just Sarah, me, Lisa, and my cousin who's there still.
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It's like almost one in the morning.
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We're talking and the phone, my phone rings and I'm like, Ooh, it's late.
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I go, I go, maybe somebody forgot something.
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I go to, and it's him.
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He says, look, I wanted to do that all night, but I couldn't, I couldn't do it.
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I have to ask you to do me a favor.
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And can you ask something?
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Can you ask Sarah something?
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Can you ask her if the name Lily means.
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Lily means anything to her.
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Now, Sarah had not mentioned this to anybody.
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She had only said it to me in the car.
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And I remember going, I didn't say that right away to him.
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She comes and I said, Sarah.
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Now I knew the answer, but I had to pretend that I didn't know.
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So I put him on speaker and I said, Sarah, he's asking if the name Lily means anything to you.
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And she looks at me.
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She goes, yes, of course.
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I said, I know, but tell him.
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She says, what do you want me to tell him?
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She says, yes, that's my daughter in space.
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And he goes, Luigi, take me off speaker.
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So I get him off speaker and I'm going, I'm talking to him.
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And she goes, she goes, do you need, you still need me?
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And I, and I looked at her and I said, so, so, so that story holds, right?
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And she get kind of got not mad, but she goes, hold on.
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She goes to the guest room.
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She had brought her binder with all her drawings and she pulled out the drawing she made of Lily, which I could share so you could show.
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And I, and, and I have this drawing.
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And I said to him, I said, hold on a second.
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I'm going to do, I'm going to do you a favor.
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I'm going to send you something.
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So while I snap a picture of that drawing and I'm about to text him, he texts me a picture of a little girl.
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Now that I cannot share, cause I don't have the right to do that.
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Well, you'll, you'll, you've seen it.
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They are an identical match.
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The drawing and the picture are identical, identical.
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It's the same person.
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And I remember going to him.
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I sent him the drawing.
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He doesn't see that I sent them drunk cause he sent it and took the phone, put it up on his ear.
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So he doesn't know that I just texted him a picture.
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And I'm looking at it and I go, dude, is that the little girl that you've been asking me to?
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And I can't talk about it more.
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And I said, but what's her name?
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He says, her name is Lily.
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Now that blew me away because he kept saying she's not from here, blah, blah, blah.
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And again, disclaimers, this, this is weird.
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This is all very strange stuff.
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Like you cannot make this stuff up.
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They didn't know each other.
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Nobody knew each other.
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There's, there's no way these, this was a coordinated, you know, attack on my, you know, investigative skills or knowledge of this phenomenon.
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So I'm looking at this going, what the fuck?
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So I, Sarah's right next to me and I have the picture of the little girl and I just go, Sarah, do you know, I didn't finish saying, do you know?
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She went like, she screamed and she goes, oh my God, that's her.
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And I'm like, well, what do you mean?
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She goes, that's her.
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That is a hundred percent her.
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Where is this little girl?
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And she freaked out.
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And I, I got goosebumps.
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I'm like, well, hold on a second.
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She goes, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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She goes, there's something I never told you.
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She goes, I have to tell you something.
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This is really freaking me.
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She's, she's got tears in her eyes.
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Now, uh, my cousin and Lisa hear this.
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Cause they're, they hear her screaming and she's crying.
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And she's like, that is her.
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Now the cop is on the phone going, is she saying that she knows this little girl?
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And then I said, check your phone.
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And he checks his phone and he stops the car.
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He goes, oh dude, I just pulled over.
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He goes, what the fuck is this drawing?
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I said, it's the drawing she made of this little girl that she met on a spaceship.
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And she said, and he said, there's no fucking way.
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He goes, I, what's going on?
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You, you, if you see them together, they're identical.
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There's no way that could have been just some fucking magical.
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No, the name and everything.
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There's no, that's a pretty big magic trick.
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If that's a magic trick.
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I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's well beyond a conventional coincidence.
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Um, you know, so now it goes into territory where you gotta start to.
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Maybe think, oh, maybe there is something here.
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I, that, that's, that was, that was hard for me to like completely ignore.
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Cause I'm looking at images now that are like matching.
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And once again, you're confronted with this really bizarre reality that she had presented
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about her lineage, her lineage, her alleged lineage.
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And, and that is about to get confirmed.
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And so let's hear it.
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So, so again, you know, disclaimers.
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And so we hang up the phone.
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She says, I never told you this, but the reason why I chose to come to Quebec was not just
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because of my boyfriend is I was in Germany on a hike.
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And she said on my hike in the German forest, she said, I asked them, where do I find her?
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And she goes, I looked down on my hiking boots and she goes, you know, those little flags that you put in a cocktail drink.
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They have like, it's like a, it's like a toothpick with a flag on it.
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She goes, there was a little Canadian flag stuck in my hiking boot in the middle of a forest in Germany.
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And so she said, I have to go to Canada.
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That's what made her come to Canada.
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Which is really weird.
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So again, is that true?
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That's what she said.
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But it's still interesting.
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So the next day she leaves and she leaves reluctant.
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Like she doesn't want to leave, but she leaves because she wants to meet this little girl.
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Now I don't have any information.
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So I clearly call him back.
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And he says, look, I'm not really supposed to tell you who she is.
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And the mother doesn't want anybody to know who she is.
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The mother is very, very, you know, wants to keep this confidential.
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So I said, no problem.
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I said, but it's still very interesting.
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I want to, is there a way to, he says, let me see if I can make you speak to her friend, the mom's friend.
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So I get invited maybe a day or two after this to go and meet with her mom's friend.
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Her mom's friend knew nothing.
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Nothing about Sarah, nothing about me, nothing about anybody.
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She, he just said, somebody would like to talk to you.
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And she was like, what?
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So when I, I remember when I arrived at her place, she was like very confused.
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Who are you and why are you here?
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And I said, it's so awkward.
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I just have questions about a friend of yours.
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So I don't have questions for you.
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I said, I'm, I'm being told that so-and-so doesn't want to talk with anybody about her daughter.
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And as soon as I said that she goes, oh, you're talking about Lily.
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And I thought, okay.
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I said, I want to tell you who I am.
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I said, I'm a guy who's done a lot of work in the past investigating weird phenomena.
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I'm, you know, got to know him.
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Who's a police officer who got me these pictures.
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She knew about the pictures.
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He had explained to her.
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Uh, it's the only thing she knew about is.
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His link to me was these pictures.
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And her husband is there.
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And, uh, I said, look, there's this woman I got to meet.
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It's very, it's confusing me.
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It's I'm struggling with it.
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So I'm going to tell you something that absolutely is going to freak you out and make you not.
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It's going to, it's going to put more questions than answers in your head, but I have to say it.
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This woman came up to me and said that she was the daughter of Mary Magdalene, Jesus Christ.
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And I was like, why did you just react like that?
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And she says, keep going.
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I said, no, no, no, no.
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No, I'm not going to keep going.
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Why did you just react like that?
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And she looks at her husband and it was like a long pause in the kitchen.
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And she looks at me and she says, her mother was introduced to her daughter on a spaceship.
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And it was Jesus who introduced her to her daughter.
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And she doesn't talk about anything else but Mary Magdalene all the time.
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Even the cop was like, Hey, what?
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Like it was just this weird.
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This is the thing, the thing that I believed the, the least out of the whole story.
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And here is this sudden.
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What the fuck did you just say?
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She says, I'm not allowed to get into it.
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I can tell you that there's something special about the little girl.
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And that the mother met her on a spaceship.
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And that's all I know.
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And that she's obsessed with Mary Magdalene.
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Now that's a lot to take in.
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It's a lot to take in because now I'm meeting another person that the, the cop clearly didn't say anything.
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I, I, if he did bad on him, I really don't think so.
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Cause he was really shocked when, when she's even her husband turned around, like, what the hell are you talking about?
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Like what, what's going on?
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It was a real, and I could see her, her, she was very emotional and she was protective of her friend and her friend's daughter.
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I said, look, I get it.
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I don't want to impose any more on your lives.
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I don't want to, I don't have, uh, any urgent need to do anything.
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I don't want you to bother the mother, whatever it's, it's unfortunate.
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Cause I would, I would have certain, I certainly would have questions for her.
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She says, she doesn't want to talk to anybody.
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I don't think she's going to talk to you.
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We exchanged phone numbers and, and contact.
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This sat with me for maybe like two, three weeks.
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I'll, I'll, I, I, I was like, what am I doing with this?
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And Sarah was calling me and I didn't want to say to Sarah, Sarah called me.
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I didn't want to say to Sarah, I met a woman who knows her and she keeps talking about marriage.
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Cause if I say that it's going to make Sarah either be more delusional or if it's real, completely
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I don't, I didn't want to instigate more and I was investigating.
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So I'm at the same time being very cautious.
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What I'm saying to who to also figure out how is this information getting out there?
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Cause I'm, you know, again, I'm thinking the only way for her to know is if the cop would
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have said something.
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I really didn't think he did that because he genuinely didn't look to me like a person who did that.
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And he hadn't shared the pictures by the way.
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He never shared the pictures because he was like, I don't want to, it's not, it's not up to me.
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It's not my little girl.
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It's not, I don't want to do that.
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I feel he was even feeling weird having the pictures.
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So that I, by the way, because at this point it's not my little girl.
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It's has nothing to do with me, but what the fuck is going on?
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I get, um, so I get a call out of the blue from the same guy who had come up to me at McGill University
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that day when Don Donderry was talking and I was sitting next to my cop friend.
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That same guy calls me and he says, I need you to meet somebody in downtown Montreal.
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If you have time, she's been abducted and she's going through a lot of trauma.
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And at that moment, I'll never forget.
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I told him, I said, dude, I am, I am busy.
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I've got a lot of stuff going on.
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I don't think I can take another case right now.
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He's like, you really need to, you really, really need.
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He kept saying you really need to.
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So long story short, I agreed to it on a Saturday morning, 10 o'clock.
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I go to downtown Montreal and there's a restaurant there.
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Uh, that was, uh, like a, it's like an old house.
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So there's like multiple floors and on the very top floor, there's a book room.
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There's like only books.
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So he said, meet us up there.
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So I went all the way upstairs and I walk into this room.
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It's, it's me, him, the owner of the restaurant and this girl.
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Now this girl has got her back to me and she's reading.
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She's looking at the books.
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So nobody knows anybody really.
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I, I guess he knew that they had to get introduced.
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So she turns around, she says, oh, hello.
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And, uh, I should just make a quick pause that week that during that week, I kept seeing, I know this is going to sound really cheesy and corny, but I kept seeing 444 on my phone every day.
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I kept seeing 444 and I, I started screenshotting it.
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Cause I'm like, why am I always seeing this?
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It was just a number that kept the pink.
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So I just, I remember screenshotting 444.
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It had no meaning to me, but I just remember doing that that week.
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So anyway, it's a side note.
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So she turns around.
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She's nice young girl.
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She introduces herself.
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Her name is Emily, not Emily.
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Trim, another Emily.
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And I, nice to meet you.
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We sit down and we say, why don't we do an introduction?
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So it starts off with me.
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I am so-and-so, and I've been doing this for a long time.
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Then it goes to the guy who, who's invited me and then the owner of the restaurant.
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And then it gets to her.
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And again, disclaimer that this, I'm reporting what happened.
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She said to me, my name is Emily.
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And I have been visited by them on multiple occasions.
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I am not from Montreal, but I was told to come to Montreal.
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And she looked right at me, like at that moment.
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And she says, and I want to start by saying that 444 is very important.
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And I was told to come to Montreal because there's a little girl here called Lily and her mother's Sarah.
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And she's the daughter of Mary Magdalene.
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I swear that's what she said.
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And I, I'll never forget.
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I had tears in my eyes and I was like, there was no way.
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And the guy who invited me, he looks at me and I said, guys, if you could just leave the room for a second.
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And, and she said, yes, please, please leave the room.
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And they left the room and it was just me and her.
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And she looked at me and she goes, you know her, don't you?
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Tell me, you know her.
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I said, who are you?
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Like, I was so, like, it was such a weird thing.
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And I thought, who are you?
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Like, how do you know this?
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She goes, I knew you knew.
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I knew you saw 444, right?
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And I said, what the fuck are you talking about?
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I cannot explain that, Chris.
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I have done hundreds, if not thousands of reports of these things in my life.
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I've worked closely with Emily Trim, who was a witness at the Ariel Primary School.
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I've, I know Liesel Field from Ariel Primary School.
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I now know Emily's brother, Paul, who was also a witness.
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I've worked with abductees here in Quebec, multiple cases.
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I've met people from all over the world.
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I got trained by David Jacobs on abductions and encounters.
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I got, I got trained by Don Donderry on how to speak.
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The psychology, perceptive psychology of this phenomenon.
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I am extremely grounded.
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I do not mix religion with aliens.
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I'm extremely, uh, Cartesian.
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How do you say that in, uh, in English?
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But I'm, I'm very grounded and very methodical.
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I don't jump to conclusions.
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I hate jumping to conclusions.
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That was impossible.
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There's no way she could have known that.
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Unless it was a gigantic coordinated thing.
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Like what's the, what's the end goal here?
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Let's say they all coordinated.
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Let's say Sarah is friends with Emily.
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And let's say this guy who had called me is friends.
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And they're all trying to like create some, some scam or some fake story.
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Now I can also confirm.
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The, so right after this.
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I'm going to fast forward.
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I finally convince the mother of Lily to speak to me through her, that woman, the friend.
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Finally, this happened in 2015.
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I think it was close to my birthday.
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So it was around this time.
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She finally accepts to talk to me on the phone and I call her.
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She answers the phone.
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She's, she speaks French.
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And, uh, we start talking now.
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Again, it's really important.
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I did not relay this information to the cop.
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Her friend didn't know this whole thing with this other Emily.
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I'm not telling anybody.
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These are closed knit circles here.
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So the mother, I asked her, I said, look, I am really in an uncomfortable position here.
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I have to talk about your daughter.
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And I don't want to make you think that I want to know too much about your daughter.
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Cause I can, I cannot even imagine how you must be suspicious of this, this stranger, this man who's asking you about your young daughter.
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It's a hundred percent strange.
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So I understand if you don't want to talk about it, but I'm hoping that you can elaborate a little bit about why your friend says it's possible that she's not from here.
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And she says to me, I was brought in, I was brought, I was taken.
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I was brought onto a spaceship.
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I said, how do you, how do you know it was a spaceship?
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She says, I don't know, but I know it was a spaceship.
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It wasn't a place that I recognized from earth.
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I was in a room with lots of women.
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It was a round room and there were other women sitting in the room with me.
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And these women all looked like they were shut off.
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She said, they didn't look like they were awake.
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Their eyes were open, but they looked like robots, like they were not activated.
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And she says, geez, I met Jesus.
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He came into the room and said to me, you are about to become a mother and I will introduce you to your child.
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He left the room and the little girl ran into the room and said, Mama, Mama, je m'appelle Lily.
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Mommy, Mommy, my name is Lily.
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And she says, that's how I met her on a ship.
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And I was returned and I was impregnated by my husband and I had her.
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And she ended up looking identical to the little girl I saw on the ship.
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Everything I just said throughout this whole story doesn't make any sense.
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But there's no way these pieces of information should make connections.
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If all of this is completely nonsensical, why does it start connecting dots?
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And then I also eventually, sorry, I forgot to say, I also asked her, do you believe in, are you a Catholic?
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Are you a Christian?
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And she says, not practicing.
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She says, but I do feel a connection to Mary Magdalene.
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And she kept saying, I feel a connection to Mary Magdalene, but I don't know why.
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She goes, so I have, I have a lot of thoughts about her.
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She wasn't a, she's not crazy woman, by the way.
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But oh, by the way, I, I eventually did meet her years later.
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I'm not only met her, spoke to her husband.
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Her husband is a billionaire, by the way, who's very wealthy man.
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Uh, they, you know, you would very protective of their kids, which is normal, completely normal.
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I met, believe it or not, out of all places, I met her in a church.
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I met her in a church cause it was a Christmas, um, not a Christmas, sorry.
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It was a Christmas event here in the Laurentians.
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And I was going to meet the mother.
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And when I, when I finally saw the mother, cause I had seen a picture of her.
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I, I recognized her.
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I walked up to her and boom, she shows up.
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The little girl shows up.
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And I was just like, her eyes are so beautiful.
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It's just blue, blue, blue, blue, like super blue eyes.
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And the little girl looked at me and just turned around and ran away.
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I didn't even want to talk to her.
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Cause I was like, I do not want the mom to ever feel.
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So I, I did not even address her.
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I only addressed the mother.
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Cause for me, it was super critical that I do not.
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There's a boundary there and I'm not going to go beyond it.
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I, I remember meeting her very nice woman.
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She was born in the, and raised in the exact same place where Lisa was raised.
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Which is very far away from here.
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Lisa, whose mother was abducted.
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Very far away from here, north of Quebec.
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Lisa, who's also six, three.
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She doesn't, she, she, she had met Travis Walton.
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Travis said she looks identical to what, what he had seen.
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So this story, this story of this little girl, Lily, the story of Sarah, the, uh, now things
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obviously continued and progressed.
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I wanted to get to the bottom of it.
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And it's so interesting.
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And I'm going to say something else that again, it's crazy.
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When my father passed away, my dad died in 2008.
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And when my dad died, uh, I had a dream of, of him the night, the night after he died,
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And I remember I was at a, in my dream, I was sitting down at a chair on a chair and
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And I remember looking to my right and I, and I saw somebody arriving here to my left
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and I looked up and it was him.
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Um, and he was in a suit and he looked in, he looked younger.
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He looked in great health.
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He looked incredible, but he looked, uh, he gave me a look of very, it was a very, uh,
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very meaningful look.
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He didn't look happy.
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He looked at me like, uh, like my dad would have looked at me when I was younger with basically
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saying, you still have a lot to learn.
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Um, that was the look.
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That's what I got from his look was there's still a lot you have to learn.
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I remember thinking, cause I, in my dream, I knew he had died.
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So I stood up and on his left here, it, it was a piece of masking tape.
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You know, this painter's tape, the beige painter's tape on his black suit.
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Um, and it was a piece of masking tape and it was written with a black marker.
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One, one, three point nine zero.
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Chris, I, I, I went bananas after that dream, trying to figure out what that was.
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I, I went absolutely fucking bananas.
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I wanted to know what is one, one, three point nine or one, one, three point nine zero.
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I spent this while all this was going on.
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Um, I was always thinking, I've always had that in the back of my mind.
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I, I used to have that in the back of my mind every single day that I was, I would wake up.
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My dad showed me a number.
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It means something to me.
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It was like, that means something.
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Is it a radio station?
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Is it, you know, what is it?
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And it was never clear.
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And so Sarah calls from Great Britain says, I'm going to be going to the United States.
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I have to go see a friend of mine in, uh, New Jersey.
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And I thought, oh, that's not too far away.
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She says, would you like to come to see me?
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And I, and I said, I'd love to.
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So I called Emily and I said, Emily, there's this woman.
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Would you like to come with me?
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It was a bed and breakfast.
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They were staying in New Jersey at a bed and breakfast.
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And I said, let's do, she says, let's go.
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So it was so, it was like a, I didn't like, it made that those decisions in an hour.
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Sarah arrived in New Jersey.
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She was staying with a friend of her, well, a friend at an Airbnb with a friend of hers.
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And Emily and I arrived.
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And so she meets Emily and this is, how are you?
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We're sitting there.
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And, um, this is really strange.
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Emily had some type of really good friendly connection with Sarah.
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So they were always laughing and talking and they got really got along.
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This guy, Ken get in his truck and he goes, and, and, uh, Sarah goes, Hey, Luigi.
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She goes, you like crystals, don't you?
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Cause I, I collect expensive crystals.
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And I said, yeah, you remember that?
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Cause she had come to my house and she had seen some.
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And she says, there's a crystal cave, not too far away.
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Ken told me, and we could go there and there's like a bunch of crystals.
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And I thought a crystal cave, how, how weird is that?
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I said, let's do it.
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It was some snow out.
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So we get in the truck and we're driving and on our way there, I dude, I can't make this shit up.
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By the way, where's the crystal cave?
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Oh, oh, it's in Bethlehem, New Jersey.
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Whoa, wait, I swear to God.
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So I'm like, you guys are all fucking putting on a show.
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It's like, it's in Bethlehem, New Jersey.
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I go, you're kidding.
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And, and he goes, no, why?
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Because for him, he lives there.
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He's like, it's just a name.
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And Sarah, she's in the front seat, turns around and she goes, you find that funny, don't you?
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And I'm like, shut up.
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You know, like I, I was, I w I was joking around with her.
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So we're in the truck and it's a, it's a good half an hour from where we were to get there.
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And I suddenly bring up the fact that I've been for, for the longest time trying to figure
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out what this 113.9 means.
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And I'm talking to Emily in the back seat going, yeah, this is something that I've always
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And Sarah just turns around and says, oh, I know what it is.
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Do you want to know?
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And I'm like, I hate you.
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Cause if it's gonna make sense, it's gonna really piss.
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It was starting to piss me off.
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She says it's in the Bible.
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I never, I never had thought about the Bible.
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And I'm like the Bible.
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She goes, Psalms 113.9.
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And I thought, what?
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Like none of everything was like, I'm in a dream.
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Obviously anybody could Google it.
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It's he who gives house, he who cares for barren women.
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Women that have children, not by men.
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Like the Virgin Mary is a barren woman.
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And I found that interesting.
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Cause I'm like, every time I used to do abduction cases, it's women who either got impregnated
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or had these, these fetuses taken away from them, but they weren't having these kids with
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Which I found really weird.
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So, and I said, and I looked at her and I said, you remember a, a, a verse, like a, the Psalms,
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you know, she goes, of course I know all of it.
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It's just a weird thing.
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So we finally get off the exit to go to Bethlehem was, I took a picture of it.
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I have it somewhere.
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It's a Virgin Mary exit.
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Swear to you, I can't make this shit up.
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So that was my trip to go see Sarah in New Jersey.
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So obviously, you know, I, I went back, I, I met with Don Donderry and I said, look, this
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Is Don, Don sit down.
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I said, Don, this is not normal.
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And he says, you need to start writing all this down for real, because there, there's
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always coincidences in life, but this seems like there's just too many.
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So if you think about stories in all my, in all my career as investigating the, this
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phenomena, that is by far the one that had so many pieces that made no sense to me.
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But it doesn't end there.
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What happened to Sarah?
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Well, so, well, Sarah is gone.
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I, uh, I was in community.
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So she went back to Great Britain.
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She lived on a place.
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She lived on Holy Island.
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It's a place called Holy Island in Great Britain.
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And, uh, I was in communication with her almost every three, four days.
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We would at least write each other, call each other, whatever.
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And about maybe a month or two before I lost complete contact with her.
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I had a weird dream.
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I, I, I thought it was a dream.
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And apparently in, in the night I wrote gibberish on a text message to her and I sent her the text.
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The next morning she wrote me, she says, what the hell did you write me?
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And I said, I didn't never wrote you.
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She goes, go look at your texts.
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And I look at the text and I, it was, you know, when you send like a long, it was just me pressing anything.
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And I sent it to her in the middle of the night.
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I don't know why I did that.
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It was just a weird thing that I, that happened.
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And I thought, oh, I must've, I don't know why I, maybe I hit a button or something, but it's like a long text like that.
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And it was just anything.
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It was, there was no spaces.
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It was just letters, a lot of letters.
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And she said, I don't feel safe anymore.
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I don't, I don't know what will happen with all that, everything that's happened.
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She goes, I'm very sad about that.
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I never got to meet Lily because regardless of the fact that we did connect with the mom, the mom hadn't what wanted nothing to do with that.
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I completely understand that.
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And so did Sarah, by the way.
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So she was never angry.
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She was just sad that it never happened.
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She never got angry.
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And, uh, there was somebody, uh, I remember Emily, actually Emily, the Emily that, uh, that got, became friends with us.
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This girl that had been abducted and Emily trim.
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We were all hanging out together.
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And I'll never forget.
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We were all in Montreal together.
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And we got word that Sarah was being threatened.
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Somebody was, was threatening Sarah.
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Uh, some crazy person.
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I don't know what happened.
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I don't know what happened.
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And she said, I'm going to try my best to, uh, lay low.
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And I thought, okay, well, let's, let's stay in touch.
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And I, you know, let me, you, you reach out to me.
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I never heard back from her ever again.
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I reached out to people on Holy Island.
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It's very small, by the way.
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I, nobody's ever been able to give me her information or what happened to Sarah.
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Nobody ever saw her again.
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So she, she vanished.
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There was also, she was, wasn't she, um, were there like strange men?
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So I was gonna bring it up, but yeah.
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That's, uh, that happened.
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That happened before I met her in Quebec or yeah, it was right before I met her in Quebec.
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When she was on her way to Quebec, she landed in New York city, flying to North America.
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The plane landed in New York from New York.
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She was gonna come to Quebec.
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She ended up staying in New York for a day and she was at Grand Central Station.
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And she was sitting there with her luggage.
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And she said, two men came close to her and said, what did they?
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She said, one of them had a ring, a big giant Mason sign, you know, the, the, the Masons.
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So she recognized that on his hand.
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And he just stopped, looked at her and said something like, we know who you are.
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We know why you're here.
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And she was like, I don't, I don't know who you are.
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I don't, I don't wanna know anything about you.
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Like she, she's, she's, you know, you're in a, you're in a train station.
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And guys are talking to a girl.
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Most of the women will just be like, fuck off, leave me alone.
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But she said they were very weird.
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Like, like they were aware of who she was.
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They, it wasn't like they were trying to take her, but she, she said they, they, they knew me.
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They knew who I was.
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And I was there to go up to Quebec and that they were saying, we know who you are.
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We know where, like, basically we know where you're going.
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That was, if I remember correctly, that was the interaction with these guys.
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She had another interaction when she was on Holy Island, where there was a, a man and another guy in a car.
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So there was two people, one in a car and one outside that were following her all the time.
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But she said they didn't look like they belonged on Holy Island.
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Didn't look like people from there.
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So she had mentioned that to me a few times and she was worried about it.
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I don't know what to make out, what to make of it.
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I'm not giving, I'm not saying in the story because it's a, if I start elaborating on every,
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everything she described to me over the course of time that I knew her and all the,
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all the drawings that she had made for me and all the information it's, it's enormous.
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The reason why I did this the first time I'm sharing this by the way, and, and it's with you.
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So I, I, I really, you know, I know you're going to have the right disclaimers out for this, but.
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I, I will never, I'll never, I'll never believe that that was just coincidence.
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I'll never believe that that was just some type of random.
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Interaction with people.
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I don't know what happened.
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I don't know what it is.
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I don't, I don't pretend to know what it is, but I can say this.
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It's probably the reason why I left the field permanently because after that and after losing
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my friend, Emily with the, which is the aerial case, I didn't want to investigate this anymore.
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I got, I got enough out of this field that I said, I'm just going to tell stories now.
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I'm going to make the stories come to life.
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I don't, I've never, I don't think we're ever going to get to an answer on these things.
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I don't think, I don't think the government is going to give us an answer on the nuts and bolts.
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And I don't think that the aliens are going to give us an answer as to why Mary Magdalene fits into the picture.
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I don't think we're going to get that.
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In fact, I have to say one, I forgot to say one thing out of this story.
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After I met with the mother of the friend of the mother of Lily, I had gone to Toronto to see Emily Trim.
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Emily had no idea at all that I was working on that, at all, absolutely zero.
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And I went to her house.
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She lived in Etobicoke at the time.
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And I went to pick her up Emily trim from the rural Zimbabwe.
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And I'll never forget.
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She, she climbs into the front seat and we were super happy to see her.
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I have pictures of that night with her.
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I really miss Emily.
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And she brought her diary with her in the car.
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And I remember asking her, what's that?
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She goes, oh, it's my diary.
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I said, why did you bring it in the car?
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She goes, cause I wanted you to read it.
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I appreciate that because she says, you always ask me questions.
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If you read my diary, you'll, you'll have some answers to a lot of things.
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Cause I write a lot in it.
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And I said to her, I said, can I, can I see it?
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And she says, absolutely.
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And she opened the page.
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I, I, I hope her mother still has it.
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She opened the book and in big black, like she wrote it with a black marker.
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And she wrote it super big on both pages.
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She went on both pages without knowing anything.
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She wrote Mary Magdalene on both pages.
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And I looked at her and I remember saying, why did you write that?
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She says, cause it has everything to do with that.
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So it's like some Da Vinci code.
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I, I mean, it's so, it's so wild.
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Um, you know, it was interesting.
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Once you told me too, that you went to the Vatican.
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And the picture you took.
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I thought that was just such an interesting, like extra connection that I, you could never
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I went to the Vatican with Sarah.
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And that's where you're originally from too.
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Like that was my grandfather.
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My grandfather would take me to church on Sunday.
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It would be the Vatican.
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So I was familiar with the Vatican.
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And I wanted to go back.
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Cause it's beautiful.
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Regardless of whether we practice or not.
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And regardless of the fact that I don't agree that they should have gold ceilings at the
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There's a lot of people that could benefit from that, but it's still beautiful.
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So I, I went, uh, to the Vatican in 2015.
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Uh, there was a sec, there's a section that is no longer accessible to the public.
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I went back in 2019 and they've closed it off.
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It's no longer, they made a wall.
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You can't even see where I'm talking about now.
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And on the left side, if you go into the Basilica on the left side, you have to walk a walk.
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I, it used to be a place where they had it, uh, corded off there.
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These, uh, you know, those like little red ropes, ropes, stuff, but you can go, you have to wait.
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And there was a section.
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Uh, there's all these guards, the guards are dressed in black suits.
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They look like the men in black and in the Vatican, everybody's dressed in a black suit.
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And, uh, the men in black are at the Vatican.
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So it wouldn't surprise me.
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It wouldn't surprise me either, but they're all there.
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And you're, it says no photo about a hundred times, like a hundred places.
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Like if, if you don't understand that you're insane because they, they repeat it to you so many times before you go to that area.
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So, and then they're also telling you they're not only it's written, but they're also saying no photo, eh?
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Like they keep, they go right in your face.
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So it's an area and I could, I'll share the picture so you could put it up.
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And there's the, uh, there's a gold, there's an altar.
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And, uh, there's a gold.
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I don't know if you want to call it like a, a container or something.
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It's a pretty big one.
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And inside there, there's the bones of one of the apostles.
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And right on the wall, there's a painting of Jesus Christ holding a baby and a bouquet of lilies, lily flowers.
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And there's a halo around, uh, over the head of, uh, around the head of Jesus and on the head of the child.
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In Christianity, have everybody verified this?
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Uh, uh, uh, a halo above everybody's heads, like the saints and the, all these people is yellow.
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The only person who has a white halo is Jesus Christ.
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He and the child had a white halo.
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What did the child look like?
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It looked like lily.
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And I asked the guard there.
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I said in Italian, I said, who's the baby?
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And the guard looked at me and he says, it's not a baby.
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I said, well, who's the child?
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Like in a, in a, in a, it's not a child.
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Like he knew like it's not a child.
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And I said in Italian, I said, well, it's not a child.
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And I said, well, what is it?
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He says, just a representation of hope.
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Like in a very rude way.
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So I took a picture when they said not to.
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Cause why would you paint a child in Jesus's hands, arms, sorry, and make that a representation of hope?
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Why would you do that?
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What is, what told you that that's what that is?
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And what are the lilies signify?
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And what are the lilies signify?
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At that specific location in the church where there's so many guards and no pictures allowed.
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I snuck a picture with my phone.
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It's not like I took my camera.
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I took a picture because I don't ever tell me not to take a picture.
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Cause I'm going to take a picture.
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You know, that's just the way I am.
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So, but it, it meant something to me.
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And the fact that it has a, that the little kid has a white halo.
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It, it, it means something, especially in, in Christianity, a white halo is only supposed to be for Jesus.
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Have you looked into what the lily could signify?
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I remembered, I did.
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Uh, I'm trying to remember, but not there, it, there, it is repeated.
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Should we look it up real quick?
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I'd be interested right now.
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It's, it, it's got, I don't have my phone here with me, so.
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It's a really interesting.
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Powerful symbol in Christianity tied to purity, innocence, and divine grace.
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The white lily, especially the Madonna lily.
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Isn't that interesting?
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It's strongly associated with purity, which is why it's often linked to Virgin Mary.
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In religious art, it reinforces her sinless and immaculate nature.
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Uh, in depictions of the Annunciation, the angel Gabriel is often shown holding a lily when he appears to Mary.
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The flower symbolizes the purity of Christ's conception.
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The resurrection and hope.
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The Easter lily is widely used in churches during Easter.
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It's trumpet shape, uh, in bright white color symbolize the resurrection of Jesus, new life and spiritual birth.
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And for holiness and divine beauty.
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Lily imagery is sometimes connected to teachings of Jesus Christ.
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For example, when he speaks about the lilies of the field, Matthew 6, 28, highlighting God's provision and natural beauty without human striving.
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So purity and divine favor, resurrection, spiritual beauty.
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You know, if you were looking for a rabbit hole, you found one.
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That is the ultimate rabbit hole.
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It, this is very Da Vinci code ask.
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And that's why, that's why I became, um, that's why I became such a big part of my life at that time.
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And it was also, I couldn't, I, I'm gonna say this and get, get grabbed for it, but.
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I don't think I could ever have beaten that as a case.
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I, I just walked away and I thought if, if ever there's something to this, if there is something to this, if there is, which possible, then we are not just dealing with some type of extraterrestrial faction or some extraterrestrial civilization.
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There's something that is integrally related to our belief systems, to our, to our, maybe they created a belief system.
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Maybe they're integral to it.
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Maybe there's something else that we need to be unafraid of talking about in order to connect the dots.
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Maybe that's why religion is, is kept so far away from this research, because if you do, you start becoming.
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Criticized the same way I used to get criticized in the eighties.
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If I, if we, both of us, you're, you're very become prominent person in this.
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And I just made a film now, but other than that, I'm no longer as active as I used to be.
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And if you and I were starting to go do talks and we start talking about Jesus and aliens in the same talk, we're gonna go from here to here real fast, no matter how open the conversation is.
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And no matter how less judgmental society has become, that's kind of a.
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And especially, and like, I'm, I'm pretty agnostic when it comes to this stuff.
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Like, and I know you, uh, you are pretty much as well.
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Like it's, it's more of like the, I don't know.
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And I'm happy to just listen.
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You know, tying this back to Bob Lazar, there's also a Jesus connection there.
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He read the Jesus was some type of hybrid or something.
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And we had a conversation about that.
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He doesn't, didn't absolutely did not want me to put any of that in the, in the film, because in, in the story of Bob Lazar, Bob was given access to a bunch of folders that were inside the briefing room.
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And there was a book, a book, a file in there this thick on religion.
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And a Gene Huff covered that a lot in, in my interviews.
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And you're gonna see that on our, we are not alone channel.
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Gene Huff says the way it was written.
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Cause he remembered how Bob said that it was written.
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It says the Christian God, as you know, him doesn't exist.
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Not that the Christian God doesn't exist.
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The Christian God, as you know, him, those words are important.
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That's how it was written.
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Now is that all fake?
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Is that, is that all, you know, some information to derail the story of Bob Lazar, to derail him, make him believe all sorts of very possible.
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That's why we didn't put it in there.
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Bob said, don't put any of the stuff in there.
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Maybe it's all bullshit.
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You know, and, and so on.
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And so I was very careful about that.
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Gene Huff keeps talking about it.
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Bob was like introduced to a guy claiming to be Jesus.
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And then he would talk about it.
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Cause then Bob would be like, no, there was a guy who said he was the name of Jesus.
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But that's not the case.
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Just like he worked in a craft.
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He's like, I'll talk about that.
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Cause I could touch it.
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But that was not the case.
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So there's a whole book about, you know, uh, I also have.
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I did not think we'd be talking about Bob Lazar and Jesus, by the way, before we started this podcast.
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Bob was going to find out about this and call me.
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It's going to be like, we need to talk.
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Keep my name out of your mouth.
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But there was a, there was also a conversation with Bob.
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Well, not, not with Bob.
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With Bob about those documents, something to do.
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And it was also with Gene Huff.
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Gene Huff remembers a lot of it.
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Cause when Bob used to go home with tell Gene, all this stuff, Gene's a, uh, Gene's a, uh,
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a, is a historical record in human form.
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Like that guy remembers what he ate on December 22nd, 1974.
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Like he's incredibly accurate with his super, super smart guy.
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And Gene remembers everything.
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And he said, you know, they, they were talking about the fact that Jesus was left here.
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It was, it was something about left behind or left behind with somebody else.
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And, and in the process of me making this film, I had the opportunity and the, the honor, not just that, cause it was a privilege to meet with them and talk with them, to meet with, uh, Lane Keck, who was the hypnotist who hypnotized Bob Lazar after all this happened.
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We're talking April.
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I mean, right there.
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And, uh, Bob did a few sessions with him.
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And the reason why he did that, excuse me, the reason why he had done that was because he said, I just, he just wanted to see if the, if the regressions could clarify more memory.
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I mean, he said, I was shown so much stuff that I couldn't remember everything, which is normal, obviously.
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So Lane did those regressions, took notes, handwritten notes at the time.
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And when I had, uh, when I interviewed Lane Keck, who by the way, is an incredible person, wonderful man, very thankful that he participated.
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We were not able to put him in the film, but there will be an episode that's going to follow with Lane and all the information that he provided to us.
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And he said, I have all the original notes that I have never shown anybody.
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I was really curious.
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And I said, do you have them on hand?
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He says, if Bob gives me permission, I will share them with you.
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And you would be the very first person I ever share them with.
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So I said, I'll, I'll, of course I'll ask Bob.
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So I commit, I connected them back together.
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They hadn't talked in a long time.
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So they were super happy just to connect.
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Bob said, no problem.
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You could give them all to Luigi.
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He just said, asked me, he says, look, he goes, there's a couple of things in there that are not to be put.
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Obviously he's getting hypnotized, private stuff of his life and whatever in those documents.
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And I'm not saying I'm going to be making them public if they don't want, because it's, it's, it's actually, uh, unethical to do so.
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So I'm not going to do something like that unless they say, sure, go ahead.
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And I would always need both of them to vet it because it's Bob's life.
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Plus it's Lane's work.
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So it's not, but I got to read them.
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I think I even shared some with you and there's information about, about Jesus and, and who he is and where it comes from and why he was left here.
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And I mean, it's very strange.
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And why would it be in government documents?
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I don't know, but I'm having fun trying to figure it out.
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You know what I mean?
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I, I, getting to the answer, I feel would, would just like, it's kind of like the, um, in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the book by Douglas Adams, there's this machine that they use to punish people.
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And it's called the total perspective vortex.
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And what it does is that it puts you in perspective of how small, infinitesimally small you are compared to the vastness of the universe.
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And you start to comprehend it.
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And the fact that you comprehend it literally drives you crazy.
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And it like blows your mind, literally blows your mind.
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You become completely useless.
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And I feel like the answer might be akin to the total perspective vortex.
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And so I, I, you know, although the pursuit of it, I think is healthy.
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I think, uh, the most unhealthy thing is probably finding out what it is.
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And I, in fact, it, it, it's, it's almost similar to what my dad told me at a certain point before he passed.
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And I remember I went and visited him and he, he, he, he was in a hospital, but he, he sat up and looked at me and he says, I've learned so many things in this life.
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That I've learned that I haven't learned anything yet.
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And he says, I understood, sorry, cause I'm seeing it from Italian.
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I've understood so many things in this life that I've understood that I haven't understood anything yet.
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Very, uh, Socratic circle.
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You know, that is, uh, that is some good, good philosophy, some healthy philosophy that he had there at the end of his life.
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All right, Luigi, we're going to take some questions from the audience.
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First of all, Hey, before we do that, thank you for sharing all that.
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Oh, it's the first time.
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It's the, it's like the second time I've heard this story in full.
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And, um, it blows my mind.
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And it's one of those things that like, when you hear, you know, there is a small faction of sort of skeptical individuals who will pick apart every single little thing.
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And, and that's okay.
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We need those people in life.
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Um, and there are people that are going to go the other way and completely take it as some dogma.
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And I think both should be approached in, in, you know, similar skeptical ways.
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And, you know, we just kind of have to find the middle ground here.
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But regardless of any of that, it's such a cool story.
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It's the coolest story.
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Because now we have another question and I think that's what makes it a cool story.
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Not because we have some type of answer or because we have a puzzle piece, but because now we have another question.
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And a question is exciting.
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That's, that's why I love this stuff.
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Not for the answers.
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Because it's the expansion.
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I, I say this to people and they take it the wrong way.
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Answers are inconsequential.
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They will not fulfill you.
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They will not give you what you desire.
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What will give you what you desire is the ability to ask a new question.
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And that is so vital in a space that feels saturated, that feels sort of overdone.
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A new question is gold.
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And it's just, it's so invigorating.
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And so thank you for sharing that.
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Speaking of new questions, I'm going to go turn on this camera.
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From Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Is there a lesser known UFO slash abduction case that you feel has been overlooked or is worthy of greater scrutiny?
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It's a good question.
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Do you feel like there's one that the public eye might be aware of?
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I think, well, I mean, abduction.
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I know that you're a big fan of the Gulf Breeze stuff.
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We touched on that a little bit.
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Do you think that that merits a second look?
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There's no question in my mind it merits a second look.
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What gives you that impression?
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There was just too many people in Gulf Breeze that had seen the craft flying around there in 1987, 88, 89.
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There was just too many people.
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And if there were not so many people in Gulf Breeze that would have seen that craft, I would have said, maybe it is a hoax.
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Maybe he did make it all up.
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It does look like superimposed images in some cases.
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So, you know, I remember that case very, very well.
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Bruce Maccabee, I remember at the time, Bruce Maccabee is no longer with us, had investigated the images and the one image of that craft low to the ground near the road.
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He had determined, deemed it a hundred percent authentic.
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He was very serious about that.
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I remember that and that had gotten my attention.
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In addition to that image, there were, I think, two to three hundred people in Gulf Breeze who, who's seen, saw the craft.
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You can't make that up.
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You can't invent two, three hundred people.
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There's not going to be a, nobody's going to believe that you were, you managed to do that unless it's a film.
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Unless you're filming and they're all actors and they all got paid and they're, you know, non, non disclosure agreements.
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And I mean, that's not what happened.
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But there's also daytime video.
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But I, I have one video, the original, the nighttime one.
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It's, I saw that one.
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And there's the daytime one too, of the one just taken off.
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That's one of my favorite videos.
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I, that's why I say we need to find Ed Walters.
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The lot, I haven't heard from him anymore.
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And I would love a deeper dive in a Gulf Breeze.
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Road trip to Florida.
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I, for that, I'm down.
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I could, I could, I could use vacation.
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That's a good question.
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Is there any aspect of the phenomena that you've covered, that you've uncovered that you think
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is vital for people to understand?
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Any aspect of the phenomena that you've uncovered that you think is vital for people to understand?
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So I think one of the things that is extremely vital, depending on what part of we're looking at.
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And if we're going to talk about, if we're going to talk about the beings, okay, we're not going to talk about the craft, you know, the technology, because that's a separate, uh, it's like, like Bob says, I don't care about the beings that care about the technology.
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I care about the beings, the technology is, is absolutely incredible, but I care about the beings.
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And to me is we have to, every single time we hear anyone talking about this phenomenon as, as far as who is this.
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And, you know, we also hear it from the vice president says, maybe they're demons or we're hearing all sorts of things.
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This is not one species.
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This is not one type.
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This is not one type.
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So if, if there's one thing that I remembered when I left all this and I said, there will, there will be no answers.
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Not just, not because it's hard to get an answer.
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It's because we can't even get an answer out of humans.
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Imagine our species, imagine one species has multiple agendas.
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Now imagine multiple species with multiple agendas.
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And there are some of these species that have technology that rendered them independent of all authority.
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If they can bend space, time and gravity, they are no longer relying on an authority.
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They can do whatever they want.
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It is literally the power of the universe in your hand.
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So we should never forget that not only are we not alone, but there's a lot out there and they're not all the same.
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Um, I think Linda Moulton Howe touched on this once and I thought it was a really interesting concept, but she said that, you know, what if some of these aliens are impersonating other aliens?
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Also, that's a good one.
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That's just, that's like.
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You know, I wasn't ready for that.
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It just blows her mind, right?
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I was not ready for that.
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But of course it could be.
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If you're sitting here being like, oh, the greys hurt me.
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And you're like, no, the greys are benevolent.
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It's because you got the, those weren't greys.
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Those were the mantids and they were putting a mental projection of the greys in your head and they were working alongside.
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And you're like, I don't know where to go with this stuff.
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That's exactly what, uh, what do you call it?
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Uh, think about Travis Walton, you know?
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There's like two different beings in the same current.
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Or are they two different?
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Are they two different?
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Or are they the same and one made himself look like he was, I don't, how do we know?
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And the last one here by Stan B. Great questions, by the way.
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Always great questions.
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Does MUFON get told to keep certain cases quiet if they could be revealing secret military craft?
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Well, I will, I will say, um, public, like the, the right answer is no.
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And I'm pretty sure that 99% of MUFON people, individuals at, at the head office and around all the, the MUFON, uh, offices around the world will say no.
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Uh, but when I was there, I, I had a bad feeling about certain people that were in charge at MUFON at the time.
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And I did not trust them at all.
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And my, uh, my sixth sense ended up being pretty accurate.
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So yeah, I would be, uh, I would be very cautious with any organization that is, uh, in charge of getting all information on UFOs or flying saucers or aliens or anything like that.
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To me, uh, there's, that's, that's like the, the, that's a hundred percent where if I were an, it's a funnel.
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If I ha if I was the intelligence community, I would 100% infiltrate that a hundred percent.
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We can assume they have, like, I mean, like, absolutely.
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They have their, they have their claws and everything.
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Whether it's, you know, TV and whatnot.
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And I don't have any evidence of it, so it sounds like conspiratorial, but I don't care.
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Even if it's not participatory, even if it's only monitoring.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Like for national security purposes, if you believe that the phenomenon is real.
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And if you believe that the government is aware of the phenomenon, then you have to also believe that the government is aware of things investigating the phenomenon.
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That's a natural conclusion.
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And I don't know if you know about that.
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I'm sure you do, but you know the story about Robert Bigelow and MUFON?
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So there's a, there's in the past, uh, Robert Bigelow gave MUFON a lot of money.
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And the caveat to it was he was going to receive all the case information before everybody else.
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So, you know, I mean, that, that I know was, was true.
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And we know Bigelow's ties.
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Like, so is it, is it always the same groups?
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Is it different groups?
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Is it, is it a moving machine?
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Um, but the, to, you know, to maybe counteract that a little bit, they never seemed to need MUFON.
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They were first on the scene.
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Well, yeah, absolutely.
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In most cases, you know, somebody would be out at night smoking a cigarette at two in the morning, see a giant craft over their head.
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And the first thing in the morning.
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There's somebody there.
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They haven't told anybody.
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And someone's like, you didn't see anything.
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Which by the way, brings me to, to close this off by saying, I believe that somebody in the, I believe that the T E T's or this technology, I don't know who it is, but I believe that that technology, uh, which I also believe ended up in the hands of some human component of society.
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Whether it be government contract, whoever it is, humans got their hands on it, has some type of radar that can perceive consciousness, not just little pieces of metal in the sky.
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I think they can read people.
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I think, I think that.
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I would also go on a limb and say that I'm pretty sure they have tech that can predict interactions to a very high degree.
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Um, using some type of quantum interface.
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Using some type of probability generator.
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And it is highly accurate.
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And I'm pretty sure that that's, you know, what we taught when we talk about looking glass and this type of stuff.
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You know, I had a guy reach out and he, he left a message on one of these episodes and I followed up with him and, uh, you know, he said, Hey, uh, so-and-so and I work for an unacknowledged special access program.
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And I was like, okay, interesting.
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And he's, uh, you know, he's, he's a contractor.
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He's not in the military or anything.
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And so he's like, I don't want to come forward because we don't have the same protections and not that those protections work for military people, let's be honest.
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But, uh, he said, uh, you know, he gave me this like really crazy story of how he wasn't a skiff and like this being appeared and like whatever.
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But then he goes, we have stuff that I gotta be careful.
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Uh, and I'm, I'm pretty sure he told me things that like, cause I, I told him by the way, I was like, please do not tell me anything.
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You're not allowed to tell me.
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I don't want to be in trouble.
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I don't want you to be in trouble.
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And let's just keep everything overboard.
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And I was very, very, cause I, the last thing I want to do again.
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National security and end up like one of these scientists.
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You know what I mean?
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Um, so I, you know, I wanna, I wanna do it in the way that, that actually helps people.
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So I said, can you please just tell me in the best way that you can without giving anything away that would like give you away or give away the project or what you guys are doing?
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And this is what he told me.
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He goes, the systems that we have, he's, he goes, I think are of non-human origin.
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And I go, why do you think that?
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Like, why do you, what, what makes you so, you know, convinced of that?
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And he says, uh, they're predictive.
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Um, he goes, we were aware of like an incursion from an enemy.
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Three, three hours before.
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And this is before the enemy even knew that they were gonna go.
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And I go, oh yeah, that sounds like alien tech for sure.
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But it also sounds like some predictive quantum computer.
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Like if you think of quantum computing and how we're trying to get there, know that the government, whatever we're doing right now, they're 30 years ahead.
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Exponentially speaking in technology, 30 years is a, is a million years.
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You know, in, in, in, in time.
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I mean, uh, given to, so they're for sure dabbling with this stuff.
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So whether it's derived from NHI or not, it certainly feels that way to us now.
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You know, so I do think that, yeah, they have something.
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I, I will say this to that, to specifically about that, which could be something maybe related to looking glass and that he figured something out.
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But, uh, if you think about it, and I was even saying this on Rogan when I was on the show.
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And it's, I'm going to go into a little bit more detail here, but if you have a computer system, the computer system, whether it's a quantum computer or not, it is computing.
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A computer system does just that.
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It has a million trillion operations that it has to compute to provide you some type of data, right?
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Everything has to do with speed.
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Everything has to do with time.
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We are constantly trying to make that computing faster.
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That way we have an answer faster, right?
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Because that's what it's all about.
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That's the reason why we haven't gotten to interstellar travel is because we're still not fast enough in computing.
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So if you have a technology like they had at S4, where if you consider the reactor, which is being utilized for propulsion purposes, but could be utilized for other reasons as well.
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So if you consider looking glass and sidekick, and if you consider looking glass, it's time dilation or it's, it's the observation, the observation of time dilation.
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If you are able to integrate that technology in a computer, not in a traveling, in a computer.
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If the candle froze at S4, but you could still see the photons.
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If there's a black hole because you can remove light and there's no, nothing happening there.
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If the mechanical watch that was put by the emitter stops ticking because it stops time.
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Could we not utilize the technology to create the fastest computer ever where it will predict the future simply because it's stopping time.
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So something that would need 18 million years to compute can happen instantly with something like this integrated.
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Time doesn't count anymore.
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So I certainly believe that they messed with that because it's an incredible weapon.
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It's, it's, it's a quantum computer.
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And, and, uh, you know, explaining a quantum computer to someone a hundred years ago would look like, oh, a looking glass.
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Stare into the magical mirror.
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That's what it would look like.
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Um, also I want to do something.
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Let me know if you, this is okay.
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I, I thought, um, maybe we do like a giveaway or something.
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For some of the people listening, some of the members here.
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Cause you know, you guys are always.
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Chiming in and I want to give you guys an opportunity.
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Like, um, you got, you got some posters.
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Um, so if you guys want to, oh, oh, oh.
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Um, if you guys want to win some posters, uh, first of all, you gotta be a member.
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Uh, so it's, it's a members thing over here and just leave a comment.
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I'll grab, you know, some of you there and then we'll, uh, we'll send you, we'll hook
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Go check out, uh, WANA, we are not alone.com.
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It's a very exciting platform.
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I'm looking forward to helping being a part of it, but also seeing it grow.
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I think it's really great.
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And, uh, thanks so much for your time, Luigi.
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I really appreciate it.
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