Francisco

There are a couple people, uh, Francisco Velate and Chris Locke who have written extensively about, well, the wedding cake craft plus the so-called pendulum UFO.

So one of the things that happened when, uh, Chris and Francisco were doing their analyses and all, they took one of those photographs where that it's pitch black behind the craft.

So I would say, as I did say, I defer to Francisco and Chris, and I hope that you guys are going

And I missed her Francisco, I think it's Francisco.