He's no longer active, but definitely was worked alongside also with Don Donderry for
So it's, it's, it's one of those things where you just have to look back at this and say, and, and as I was investigating a lot of these really crazy cases, I would consult with David Jacobs, with Don Donderry, both of which would always tell me.
I got invited to a, uh, a talk that Don Donderry was doing at Concordia university, uh, sorry, at, uh, McGill university in Montreal.
So I had Don Donderry, his wife that passed away, but she was gonna come as well.
We, and I'll never forget Verna, uh, Don Donderry's wife, who's also gone, she passed away.
that day when Don Donderry was talking and I was sitting next to my cop friend.
I got, I got trained by Don Donderry on how to speak.
So obviously, you know, I, I went back, I, I met with Don Donderry and I said, look, this