Brazil's former minister of defense, current presidential candidate, and a man who's spent decades at the center of Brazilian power.
We touch on Brazil's mass UFO radar incursions of 1986, an unforgettable night for the Brazilian military.
This is the former Brazilian Minister of Defense sitting across from me, telling me it was real.
You are a cornerstone of Brazilian politics.
You are kind of the almost Plato's philosopher king of Brazilian politics
So I'm very excited to speak to you about your philosophy of Brazilian sovereignty.
and the Brazilian intelligence and defense systems.
executed by the Brazilian Armed Forces
Brazilian scientists
1986 in May, you had 21 unidentified objects spotted in four different Brazilian states.
I sat down with Jose Manuel Fernandes, who worked for the Brazilian Air Force for 34 years,
or some of these other Brazilian encounters are not in fact, you know, other beings,
brazilian army division that fought alongside the american soldiers in italy against the german forces
the norm of everyday practice in Brazilian medicine.
We have pretty good testimony from a number of witnesses on the Brazilian side that the entities,
And so I think it's amazing to have a former defense minister, current presidential candidate, who is kind of the ideological backbone of a lot of modern Brazilian politics, say in such a kind of passe way that, of course, UFOs are real.
How do you view your role now in Brazilian politics?
Being concerned with Brazilian sovereignty is important.
And, you know, things haven't gone, I think, the way that in the mid-2000s one would have hoped aspirationally as a Brazilian.
Every Brazilian, with a certain degree of education, is very fond of American literature.
We have a constellation on the Brazilian flag, and there is a constellation on the US flag.
So Brazil must also have a relationship with China that respects Brazilian sovereignty.
he had a map of minerals in the Brazilian Amazon.
So African reserves were developed at the same time as the Brazilian reserves.
And he's being called up to be on the Brazilian national team.
And you answered that in a way that is kind of worthy of how religious the following is of, you know, Brazilian football.